Scopes with 5.45 bullet drop reticles?

[bartertownshakedown 1]

Can anyone point me towards either milsurp or civilian made scopes that have a reticle set up for 5.45 bullet drops. Most everything I'm seeing seems to be either set up for either 7.62x54 or 7.62x39.

 

I'd like adjustable magnification if possible.

 

The only thing I'm finding is a PO 3.5, and for $500 (give or take), I'd like a little more flexibility in a scope.

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Scopes

[TX-Zen 287]

The Russians don't use variable power optics in 5.45, the scopes dedicated for AK74 rifles use 4x or less magnification. Your choices are limited to 1P78 Kashtan, 1P29, PO 3.5x21P and the Zeiss ZFK 4x25.

 

 

Any of the variable power PSO or POSP series will work. You'll just need to learn hold overs because the chevrons and turret adjustments won't correspond exactly to 5.45.

 

PO 3.5x21P is a fantastic optic btw and is good for long range shooting. I've used mine to hit at 600m with my SLR105.

 

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/68054-1p78-kashtan-28x-optic-review/

 

 

 

 

Z

Edited June 19, 2011 by TX-Zen

[bartertownshakedown 1]

The Russians don't use variable power optics in 5.45, the scopes dedicated for AK74 rifles use 4x or less magnification. Your choices are limited to 1P78 Kashtan, 1P29, PO 3.5x21P and the Zeiss ZFK 4x25.

 

 

Any of the variable power PSO or POSP series will work. You'll just need to learn hold overs because the chevrons and turret adjustments won't correspond exactly to 5.45.

 

PO 3.5x21P is a fantastic optic btw and is good for long range shooting. I've used mine to hit at 600m with my SLR105.

 

http://forum.saiga-1...x-optic-review/

 

 

 

 

Z

 

Fantastic post Zen... Thanks very much for that.

 

One thing I did appreciate about the PO 3.5 was the large field of vision. I also like the apparent sturdiness of the PO 3.5. Granted, I've only held it in my hand, and didn't get the chance to throw it onto the ground or anything (I doubt the seller would have liked that), but it felt like it was built to withstand a lot of stress. The guy who had it told me that it was set up for full auto 5.45. Since I'll only be firing semi, I figure that might be a little bit of overkill, and I was honestly hoping for a little more out of a $500 scope in terms of flexibility. However, I'm not sure that I could see something very well at 600m with 3.5 magnification... unless it was a car.

 

Where would you recommend looking for all the scopes that you talk about in your post? A quick perusal of gunbroker comes up with absolutely nothing for the majority of them.

[TX-Zen 287]

Actually the PO 3.5 is great for 600m shooting, like I mentioned that was the same distance where I used the PO to hit steel plates that were about 3/4 man size. Even with 'just' 3.5 magnification you are able to engage effectively at those ranges. I haven't had 1P78 or 1P29 out that far yet but at 300 yards both are boringly consistent even against 6-8" steel plates. I'm trying to find a longer range so I can try these optics at 600-800m and give a more detailed range report.

 

The comment about the PO being set up for full auto is stating the obvious really, all these are military scopes intended for AK74M's and FA goes without saying. I think the PO 3.5 was intended for military contracts but hasn't been accepted for service yet, or maybe ever, but I have heard that it has been used in combat in small numbers. 1P78, Zeiss and 1P29 definitely have been issued as service optics. As I stated in my review my opinion is that the best bang for the buck is the 1P78 both in price compared to the 1P29 and the ZFK, and in functionality compared to both of those and the PO 3.5x21P.

 

 

As far as where to get them, 1P78 is currently available at Kalinka. 1P29 and Zeiss are only going to come up from private sellers and both will be really expensive, $650+ for the ZFK and $800+ for the 1P29. You'd have to watch some of the AK specific for sale boards as your best chance at finding them. If you see a UPO-1 those are the civilian version of the 1P29 and basically the same from what I understand.

 

Eastwave is another good source for optics in general but I doubt they can get 1P29 or the ZFK, I've asked Dmitry about a few rare scopes and he can't seem to get a line on them. Wouldn't hurt to ask though. He has come up with some surprising stuff before.

 

 

 

 

 

Z

Edited June 20, 2011 by TX-Zen

[bartertownshakedown 1]

You've given me a lot of info to process. I appreciate it.

 

The price point on the 1p78 and the PO 3.5 are just about the same... 2.8 on the 1p78 and 3.5 (obviously) on the PO 3.5. I do like that you don't need batteries for the 1p78. Ideally, I'd have something with some adjustability, but it doesn't seem that there are any options for that under $500.

Actually the PO 3.5 is great for 600m shooting, like I mentioned that was the same distance where I used the PO to hit steel plates that were about 3/4 man size. Even with 'just' 3.5 magnification you are able to engage effectively at those ranges. I haven't had 1P78 or 1P29 out that far yet but at 300 yards both are boringly consistent even against 6-8" steel plates. I'm trying to find a longer range so I can try these optics at 600-800m and give a more detailed range report.

 

The comment about the PO being set up for full auto is stating the obvious really, all these are military scopes intended for AK74M's and FA goes without saying. I think the PO 3.5 was intended for military contracts but hasn't been accepted for service yet, or maybe ever, but I have heard that it has been used in combat in small numbers. 1P78, Zeiss and 1P29 definitely have been issued as service optics. As I stated in my review my opinion is that the best bang for the buck is the 1P78 both in price compared to the 1P29 and the ZFK, and in functionality compared to both of those and the PO 3.5x21P.

 

 

As far as where to get them, 1P78 is currently available at Kalinka. 1P29 and Zeiss are only going to come up from private sellers and both will be really expensive, $650+ for the ZFK and $800+ for the 1P29. You'd have to watch some of the AK specific for sale boards as your best chance at finding them. If you see a UPO-1 those are the civilian version of the 1P29 and basically the same from what I understand.

 

Eastwave is another good source for optics in general but I doubt they can get 1P29 or the ZFK, I've asked Dmitry about a few rare scopes and he can't seem to get a line on them. Wouldn't hurt to ask though. He has come up with some surprising stuff before.

 

 

Z