Dysfunctional 63 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Manufacturer Year (Prefix): 95Importer: Kalashnikov-USA, Pt St Lucie, FLImport Year: No stampGas Plug: Single SettingGas Puck Style: OldRecoil Spring Dust Cover: NoneBolt Hold Open: None I received my newly acquired used 410 from the seller through my FFL today. Seller is a bit disappointing as he sent the gun to the wrong state and forget to include all the magazines. Slowly getting that straightened out (obviously we got it from VA-WV to PA finally). I have a CSS Saiga 12 Reliability Kit http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-967/Saiga-12-low-brass/Detail and a JTE Shotgun Performance Guide Rod http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-1648/JT-ENGINEERING-SAIGA-12/Detail but I am guessing these are not usable on my model? You can see my setup is one single spring, no spring dust cover, and "U" shaped metal (not a rod). Also, it has the non-adjustable gas plug and a longer gas puck. Is that puck oriented correctly when installed (open end to front and flat end towards bolt carrier)? It is how it was in there but I can't tell from the blurry manual I found online if that is correct or not. I also do not have confidence that the previous owner has any situational awareness or attention to detail so I want to be sure before I touch off a round in it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dysfunctional 63 Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I found the answers. The Kit & Rod are not usable in my model. The puck is oriented correctly - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/32419-question-for-those-who-own-both-a-410-and-12/&do=findComment&comment=289794 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dysfunctional 63 Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 I did my conversion: - Fire Control Group - JTE performance main spring - Trigger guard - Extended mag release - Krebs Mark VI-S safety selector - M4 commercial size stock adapter - M4 VLTOR stock - Saw grip - Tromix Shark muzzle brake - Carolina quad-rail - Tromix charging handle knob - Noveske K-9's - HUD optic red/green - Foregrip/falshlight/green laser/navigation light I may add a Tango Down PR-4 sling mount in place of the stock tube mounted one. If I did my calculations correctly I am 922r compliant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Looks nice. How's she shoot? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dysfunctional 63 Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 That four letter word ending in "K" has gotten in the way of fun again. Had to work. So I still need to pick up some shells and test fire it. It passes the function tests and dry fire so I do not expect amy live fire issues. It came with 7 mags too (1-4rnd, 1-5rnd, 3-10rnd & 2-15rnd). The 10 rounders are a little loose side to side but tight front-to-back. Maybe this weekend I can get out, but it is 32 and snow flurrying off and on right now. I am enjoying the warmth indoors at the moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Keep us posted. Take some pics too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dubya 198 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I'm glad you converted it, that thing was hideous! Looks great now though. I'm still researching all the different types of 410's that were imported over the years to see what the "best" version is before I go looking for one to buy. I wonder if it'd be alright to add a V plug or DPH 6 position plug to you're gun? Looking forward to a range report. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dysfunctional 63 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 ...I wonder if it'd be alright to add a V plug or DPH 6 position plug to you're gun?... Nope, not on a '99 or earlier 1st generation with the sabot looking puck (see post above where I linked to the answer). Fired some slugs and #4 buck shot today. It is about 8"-12" low at ~25 yards. It is nicely centered though. So one thing to note when adding a quad rail is to not use thread locker until after you've tested your optic and are certain everything is both in-line with your bore axis and you can adjust your elevation. You may need to adjust how it is mounted. Before I apply the final thread locker I am going to experiment with altering the quad rail angle by placing a washer (or two) on the screws at the forearm tang and barrel mount areas. The idea will be to raise the rear (bolt end) and lower the front (barrel end) so that optic zero is closer to the bullseye and only a minor elevation adjustment will be required to dial in the dot. I think that should be sufficient to get everything lined up and still be able to securely fasten everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Some times different ammo will change accuracy. So, play around with different stuff and see what works and what doesn't for the gun. My home loaded slugs hit about 4" low at 50 yards. Not a true slug but two 38 special wad cutters do very nicely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Have you tried loading 40 cal TC's in a 410 shell? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dysfunctional 63 Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Just about the only thing available locally that is affordable are Silver Bear slugs, Federal #4 buck shot and some bird loads. So I went with the slugs and buck shot. I will get into custom loads later after I get everything beyond the initial set up. I am only at the form, fit and function test phase on this setup. But I hear ya on testing different ammo to see what works. Better to have more expensive ammo that always feeds, fires and ejects than tons of cheap ammo that I can do nothing with. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 If the gun works why would you need fancy pucks and plugs and rods and springs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dysfunctional 63 Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 For greater adjustment, flexibility and efficiency. To adjust recoil (not a real factor on a .410). If all you can manage to run is 3" they'll potentially allow you to reliably run low brass and the shorter shells. But in a 1st gen there are no gas tube component upgrades available (at least I haven't found any). They're for a 2nd or 3rd generation gun. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Have you tried loading 40 cal TC's in a 410 shell? No but I have considered it. I may pick up some and see how they load. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurokaze 10 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Very nice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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