gun wont fire the second time

[crafty101 2]

Ok i took my saiga 12 out for a test run and it would shoot the first round cycle the next but you could not pull the trigger to fire the chambered round. I have a g2 trigger group with the spring instead of the wire spring, i have a gas fixer plug and the recoil spring from ccs. I tried several types of shells all cycled, but it would not fire the second shell unless you ejected it and loaded another round any ideas?

 

thanks for the reply

[jimdigriz 580]

Ok i took my saiga 12 out for a test run and it would shoot the first round cycle the next but you could not pull the trigger to fire the chambered round. I have a g2 trigger group with the spring instead of the wire spring, i have a gas fixer plug and the recoil spring from ccs. I tried several types of shells all cycled, but it would not fire the second shell unless you ejected it and loaded another round any ideas?

 

thanks for the reply

 

Did you check and make sure the hammer spring ends were firmly seated over the trigger? One of mine was off to the side after my first conversion, and I had to push the trigger forward to reset it. After popping off the dust cover, I spotted the problem immediately.

 

Look around inside and see if anything looks amiss.

[Etek 32]

Many possible causes.

Is the disconnector spring in place?

Did the gun work OK before conversion?

 

Unload, remove cover and rack he action. The trigger should catch the hammer. Do it again with the trigger pulled. The disconnector should catch and hold the hammer. If not, the disconnector spring is missing or too short (Some TAPCO disconnectors had the spring hole bored too deeply) Release trigger. The hammer should now be held by the trigger.

 

Check these things first. There is a post about defective disconnectors on this Forum.

Edited January 15, 2010 by Etek

[Paulyski 2,227]

Is your trigger resetting?

 

The only reason I ask is that if the carrier came back & chambered a round, & the FCG is properly installed I can't see how it would not release the hammer... Unless the spring walked off the right trigger leg toward the center & the trigger isn't resetting.

 

 

Edit: looks like someone beat me to it.

Edited January 15, 2010 by Paulyski

[crafty101 2]

Many possible causes.

Is the disconnector spring in place?

Did the gun work OK before conversion?

 

Unload, remove cover and rack he action. The trigger should catch the hammer. Do it again with the trigger pulled. The disconnector should catch and hold the hammer. If not, the disconnector spring is missing or too short (Some TAPCO disconnectors had the spring hole bored too deeply) Release trigger. The hammer should now be held by the trigger.

when you try to pull the trigger the second time you cant even pull it its that tight that what it was doing today

Edited January 15, 2010 by crafty101

[crafty101 2]

Many possible causes.

Is the disconnector spring in place?

Did the gun work OK before conversion?

 

Unload, remove cover and rack he action. The trigger should catch the hammer. Do it again with the trigger pulled. The disconnector should catch and hold the hammer. If not, the disconnector spring is missing or too short (Some TAPCO disconnectors had the spring hole bored too deeply) Release trigger. The hammer should now be held by the trigger.

when you try to pull the trigger the second time you cant even pull it its that tight that what it was doing today but when you have the cover off and pull it by hand it pulls fine.

[jimdigriz 580]

Could you post a close-up pick of inside the receiver?

[Etek 32]

G2 Recall info here----------> http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=33939

[crafty101 2]

G2 Recall info here----------> http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=33939

i ordered the tromix g2 trigger group bu CCS sent me one that said tapco on the side of the trigger.

[Etek 32]

Pictures would certainly help. The hammer could even be in backwards.

We'll get you through this

[Etek 32]

G2 Recall info here----------> http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=33939

i ordered the tromix g2 trigger group bu CCS sent me one that said tapco on the side of the trigger.

 

The G2 is a TAPCO product.

[crafty101 2]

G2 Recall info here----------> http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=33939

i ordered the tromix g2 trigger group bu CCS sent me one that said tapco on the side of the trigger.

 

The G2 is a TAPCO product. heres a photo hope it helps

Edited January 15, 2010 by crafty101

[crafty101 2]

heres a photo hope it helps

[Lone Star Arms 2,047]

Ok i took my saiga 12 out for a test run and it would shoot the first round cycle the next but you could not pull the trigger to fire the chambered round. I have a g2 trigger group with the spring instead of the wire spring, i have a gas fixer plug and the recoil spring from ccs. I tried several types of shells all cycled, but it would not fire the second shell unless you ejected it and loaded another round any ideas?

 

thanks for the reply

 

Your trigger is obviously resetting if you can manually eject the spent shell, and fire the next shell.

 

Sounds like you just aren't getting any gas to the piston, and the shells are too low powered to push the bolt back.

 

A fixer plug only works if you have sufficient gas to begin with.

 

It could be a number of things, but from the description it sounds like a gas system problem.

 

WS

Edited January 15, 2010 by WaffenSchmied

[crafty101 2]

i'm going to put the old plug back in first and try that then work with the fixer plug i was using high brass loads, and low brass and it did it on both of them when i was trying it out this morning.

 

thanks for the reply

[Lone Star Arms 2,047]

Everything looks good in the receiver. Can you pull the gas plug, and get a shot of the gas vents between the barrel and the piston chamber? Also, are you using a factory piston (puck) or an aftermarket puck?

[crafty101 2]

using an after market puck but they look just alike.

[Lone Star Arms 2,047]

using an after market puck but they look just alike.

 

Just to be sure, put the factory puck back in before your next test fire. Also, leave your factory gas plug on setting two. Setting one effectively cuts off the gas, and for break in you will need all the gas the gun is capable of directing to the piston.

 

Don't worry about the trunnion in the rear, unless you are using something crazy like magnum turkey loads, or you have had someone weld the back -- which can anneal and soften the trunnion.

 

WS

[crafty101 2]

using an after market puck but they look just alike.

 

Just to be sure, put the factory puck back in before your next test fire. Also, leave your factory gas plug on setting two. Setting one effectively cuts off the gas, and for break in you will need all the gas the gun is capable of directing to the piston.

 

Don't worry about the trunnion in the rear, unless you are using something crazy like magnum turkey loads, or you have had someone weld the back -- which can anneal and soften the trunnion.

 

WS

Ok thanks ill try again tomorrow if it dont rain thanks for your help and ill let you know what happens

[Lone Star Arms 2,047]

using an after market puck but they look just alike.

 

Just to be sure, put the factory puck back in before your next test fire. Also, leave your factory gas plug on setting two. Setting one effectively cuts off the gas, and for break in you will need all the gas the gun is capable of directing to the piston.

 

Don't worry about the trunnion in the rear, unless you are using something crazy like magnum turkey loads, or you have had someone weld the back -- which can anneal and soften the trunnion.

 

WS

Ok thanks ill try again tomorrow if it dont rain thanks for your help and ill let you know what happens

Good enough.

 

WS

[Paulyski 2,227]

Ok i took my saiga 12 out for a test run and it would shoot the first round cycle the next but you could not pull the trigger to fire the chambered round. I have a g2 trigger group with the spring instead of the wire spring, i have a gas fixer plug and the recoil spring from ccs. I tried several types of shells all cycled, but it would not fire the second shell unless you ejected it and loaded another round any ideas?

 

thanks for the reply

 

Your trigger is obviously resetting if you can manually eject the spent shell, and fire the next shell.

 

Sounds like you just aren't getting any gas to the piston, and the shells are too low powered to push the bolt back.

 

A fixer plug only works if you have sufficient gas to begin with.

 

It could be a number of things, but from the description it sounds like a gas system problem.

 

WS

I am under the impression that his post noted that everything is working fine except the trigger will not release the hammer.

 

But then again I could be wrong.

Edited January 15, 2010 by Paulyski

[gpqueen 545]

Sounds like the disconnect spring is not in place if it will fire the first and not reset. When you put the trigger together did you put the small coil spring in the hook before you put the the sleeve through the trigger? The spring is very small and looks like it came out of a pen.

[crafty101 2]

i Had a gunsmith install the conversion.. and I checked the spring its still in there..

Edited January 16, 2010 by crafty101

[Lone Star Arms 2,047]

i Had a gunsmith install the conversion..

 

Anybody we know?

[crafty101 2]

I had a local gunsmith do it which he has done alot of these conversions.

[Lone Star Arms 2,047]

I had a local gunsmith do it which he has done alot of these conversions.

 

Well, if he's local -- that's good. If the gun was cycling before he did the conversion, it should cycle now. If it doesn't cycle when you test it tomorrow, I suggest you take it back to him and let him know you expect it to be right.

 

No one who pays good money to have a conversion done should put up with a converted gun that doesn't cycle. And, if the guy is experienced at conversions you have every reason to expect that the gun performs as it should.

 

WS

[Paulyski 2,227]

If it does the same thing tomorrow, if the trigger doesn't pull, see if you can push the trigger forward a touch & then try to pull it again before you manually cycle another round in.

This is what I meant by "resetting" earlier. some times the mainspring can give you trigger trouble by not pushing the trigger forward all the way between shots.

[blacksideblue 0]

If it does the same thing tomorrow, if the trigger doesn't pull, see if you can push the trigger forward a touch & then try to pull it again before you manually cycle another round in.

This is what I meant by "resetting" earlier. some times the mainspring can give you trigger trouble by not pushing the trigger forward all the way between shots.

 

I was recently a victim of the same problem. for me it was started when the old tri wire mainspring had weekend and no longer had the force to overcome the disconnector and reset. my fix was as simple as replacing the spring. I also found out in some cases the hooks on the mainspring can slip inside the trigger causing those problems.

[crafty101 2]

Ok i took it out agian this time it fired several rounds before it done it again. this time i took my finger and pushed the trigger forward then pulled it and it shot?

[crafty101 2]

i talked to the gun smith and he said he would make everything right.