atm papi 1 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Hey guys. I'm new to the site and I wanted to introduce myself. i am actually in the process of buying a Saiga rifle and wanted to get some feedback. I've been calling around, and i received a quote for a Saiga 7.62 for $360. is that what the going rate is for them? Another thing is why did you guys choose the 7.62 over the .223/5.56? I plan on using my rifle for target practice, and the occasional hog hunt. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 That sounds like a good price under current economic conditions. The 7.62 is the original AK round and the hardcore loyal converts would likely prefer this caliber. As an AK fanatic I'd think the 5.45 would come next in preference as the ammo is still relatively inexpensive compared to the .223 that I consider a US variation on nearly the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Welcome. That price sounds about right for what I've been seeing anymore. The 7.62 is usually the cheaper of the three intermediate rifle calibers. Last time I paid attention at a gun show there was a 5.45 for $389. As far as your other question. I didn't choose 7.62 for the Saiga. I have a WASR in 7.62, it's a cheap beater but works every time. My Saiga is in 5.45 because I already had a 7.62 and wanted a 5.45. I really have no room for a 5.56 AK though. For hog hunting I would say the 7.62 is the choice to make. Are you planning on converting it? Between the three calibers though I love 5.45 more than either 5.56 or 7.62, it's just a sweet little round, and pretty wicked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 It came down to ammo price for me, 7.62x39= 0.15 per round, 5.56 and .223 are higher 0.25 per round. Plus a converted AK looks better in my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rollinrob 0 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 I'm new here also and thats what I just paid for my 7.62x39 before Califorina sales tax and the DROS fee. I've got pre-ban AK mags so a featureless conversion is the route I'm taking Quote Link to post Share on other sites
atm papi 1 Posted March 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Yeah, I don't plan on doing any conversions to it. I intend on keeping it how it is except for putting a nice scope on it. I do remember them saying they also had a 5.45. Thanks for the help guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Be warned, the sporter configuration has what can only be described as "the worst trigger pull imaginable." Also with no US made stock, you will be more limited on foreign parts if you use high capacity magazines in it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR Young 175 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Welcome aboard, papi! There's a ton of great info here and lots of good people who will answer any questions you have. Always glad to see a new shooter on the forums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
atm papi 1 Posted March 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 So would you guys be for changing the trigger assembly? An addition I was also thinking about was getting the quad rail. If I were to get a new trigger assembly, quad rail, and a hi cap magazine, I'd have 7 922r compliant accessories? I really like the M1A Socom look, so that means I wouldn't change the stock on it. Thanks again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) So would you guys be for changing the trigger assembly? An addition I was also thinking about was getting the quad rail. If I were to get a new trigger assembly, quad rail, and a hi cap magazine, I'd have 7 922r compliant accessories? I really like the M1A Socom look, so that means I wouldn't change the stock on it. Thanks again! 922r isn't about how many US made parts you have, it is about having no more than 10 Foreign made parts. The countable parts on an Saiga are: Receiver Barrel Front Trunnion Bolt Bolt Carrier Gas Piston Trigger Hammer Disconnector Stock Handguard Magazine Body Follower Floorplate As soon as you put in a high capacity magazine, you will have to get that list down to 10 foreign parts to be legal. With just a US made magazine, and the US made handguard, you will still have 11 Foreign parts. The easiest thing you could do from there would probably be to get a US made fire control group. You won't be able to use the trigger as they are designed for an AK, not a sporter Saiga, but you could use the hammer and disconnector from it, and that would bring you to 9 foreign parts, which is under the 10 allowable parts. Or you could find a US made stock for the factory configuration instead, and that would put you in compliance. Clear as mud right? Edited March 26, 2011 by L5K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
atm papi 1 Posted March 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 thanks! i called one of the gun stores in town, and quoted me at $500 for a 7.62. i just thought that was outrageous. he must have thought i wanted the .308. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 So would you guys be for changing the trigger assembly? An addition I was also thinking about was getting the quad rail. If I were to get a new trigger assembly, quad rail, and a hi cap magazine, I'd have 7 922r compliant accessories? I really like the M1A Socom look, so that means I wouldn't change the stock on it. Thanks again! 922r isn't about how many US made parts you have, it is about having no more than 10 Foreign made parts. The countable parts on an Saiga are: Receiver Barrel Front Trunnion Bolt Bolt Carrier Gas Piston Trigger Hammer Disconnector Stock Handguard Magazine Body Follower Floorplate As soon as you put in a high capacity magazine, you will have to get that list down to 10 foreign parts to be legal. With just a US made magazine, and the US made handguard, you will still have 11 Foreign parts. The easiest thing you could do from there would probably be to get a US made fire control group. You won't be able to use the trigger as they are designed for an AK, not a sporter Saiga, but you could use the hammer and disconnector from it, and that would bring you to 9 foreign parts, which is under the 10 allowable parts. Or you could find a US made stock for the factory configuration instead, and that would put you in compliance. Clear as mud right? With a USA mag and hand guard he will have 10 foreign parts. 922. A complete US mag is three parts, hand guard is one = 10 foreign parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Wow you're right. Math fail on my part :/ That pesky pistol grip is in my brain whether it's on the rifle or not ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dubmech 0 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I thought you needed 5 U.S. made parts to be legal. With the addition of a bullet guide he would be at 5. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stnls1911 55 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I thought you needed 5 U.S. made parts to be legal. With the addition of a bullet guide he would be at 5. A bullet guide does not count towards 922R. You will only need 5 if you are adding a pistol grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maurice Middleton 4 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 No, Dubmech, like the man said, it's not about the US parts, it's about the number of foreign parts left in the rifle after the surgery. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) No, Dubmech, like the man said, it's not about the US parts, it's about the number of foreign parts left in the rifle after the surgery. Saigas come imported with 14 parts.including mags and hand guard. The mag counts as three. Hand guard is one. Replace the mag and hand guard and that leaves you with ten foreign parts. 922 legal. Please don't feed the Trolls. Edited March 28, 2011 by Jetmech Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dubmech 0 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I was confused. Thanks for clearing that up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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