Transferable select fire Saiga 12 possible?

[poser 0]

Were any full auto Saiga 12's registered with NFA before '86? Not sure if they even existed back then.

 

Is it possible/legal to convert a transferable AK style rifle into a 12 gauge?

 

 

[Fallschirmjager667 729]

no there were no registered s12s, the only way i can think of would be to build an s12 onto a transferable ak receiver, but i don't know how well that would work

[bigj480 203]

People change the caliber of their AKs some times, you have to amend your form 4 AFAIK. It really depends on if the ATF would approve the change to 12ga. Are Saiga shotgun receivers thicker than the rifles? Anyway, transferable cost about $14k+ so it's not economically feasible for most people, not to mention ammo cost. I would not cut up a transferable AK to do it.

[Fallschirmjager667 729]

yes, an s12 receiver is 1.6mm, meaning you would most likely have to build it on a transferable RPK receiver, so a lot more money than a transferable ak

[Shandlanos 1,470]

A lot of 80's registered AKs are Chinese guns with registered sears. Wonder if you could demill the rifle, pull the registered sear and install it in an S-12? Might be a legit way of going about it.

[bigj480 203]

A lot of 80's registered AKs are Chinese guns with registered sears. Wonder if you could demill the rifle, pull the registered sear and install it in an S-12? Might be a legit way of going about it.

 

After a quick google search:

 

"The ATF established that all registered AK auto sears are permantly married to there host weapons. Moving the sear to another host is considered manufacturing an unregistered machine gun and is a violation of the NFA."

[kevin.rose0@gmail.com 62]

Gather the drawings and tools and await the next NFA amnesty. There is a decent chance of one in the next decade to try to repair the NFA database.

[Shandlanos 1,470]

A lot of 80's registered AKs are Chinese guns with registered sears. Wonder if you could demill the rifle, pull the registered sear and install it in an S-12? Might be a legit way of going about it.

 

After a quick google search:

 

"The ATF established that all registered AK auto sears are permantly married to there host weapons. Moving the sear to another host is considered manufacturing an unregistered machine gun and is a violation of the NFA."

 

Sounds like horse shit to me... Since it isn't law, all it takes is another opinion letter to override it. If I had one in hand, I'd write in to find out. That ruling would not be consistent with their take on registered sears for the FN FNC - I'm familiar with registered sears being installed in host guns, which does require a new axis hole to be drilled, just like an AK, with ATF approval.

[bigj480 203]

A lot of 80's registered AKs are Chinese guns with registered sears. Wonder if you could demill the rifle, pull the registered sear and install it in an S-12? Might be a legit way of going about it.

 

After a quick google search:

 

"The ATF established that all registered AK auto sears are permantly married to there host weapons. Moving the sear to another host is considered manufacturing an unregistered machine gun and is a violation of the NFA."

 

Sounds like horse shit to me... Since it isn't law, all it takes is another opinion letter to override it. If I had one in hand, I'd write in to find out. That ruling would not be consistent with their take on registered sears for the FN FNC - I'm familiar with registered sears being installed in host guns, which does require a new axis hole to be drilled, just like an AK, with ATF approval.

 

It's like anything else, they make it up as they go. The upper is considered the "receiver" on the FNC. Doesn't make sense, but there is your difference.