normnip 1 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Hi guys, Long time no see. I recently got wind of an explanation of why I sometimes see my cartridge shoulders dented. I think I'm headed toward filing and polishing some of the hump on the extra 3rd bolt lug. I've read as much as I could find here and elsewhere online. I'd like to know what the purpose of that hump is. I think the answer is that it's there to absorb the repeated hits from the next cartridge in the mag, protecting the bolt lug from being hit instead. Am I missing something? I would like ya'll's thoughts on this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macbeau 902 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) It's more likely that the charging handle is hitting the case on ejection OR the case is hitting the top cover on it's way out. Sometimes, it's both. Either way, this is common on AK platforms and doesn't render the brass non-reloadable. Just ugly Macbeau sends.... Edited January 19, 2013 by macbeau Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hallow 4 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Norm I have heard some people use a valmat ejection port buffer to help prevent the bent in the brass. But since you cant find one at this time, I am working on a diy part to do the same thing. Its basically a metal clip that slips over the top cover but the catch is, it will be covered with a rubber covering. Hopifully it will work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
S5snake 41 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Check out this link, is this what you are talking about? http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/79099-saiga-308-bolt-digging-into-rounds/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
normnip 1 Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 S5snake, Yes and I had read your post earlier. Thanks for a damn good post, thread and first rate photos. My dents are more like deep scratches but there's been a couple I had to throw away - and that's dryfiring by hand. The real test I have not done yet is to actually fire the top round (right side of the magazine) and eject the second one to inspect. I'm thinking that hump your photos point to is the one to carefully file sharp back edges and corners smooth and polish like liquid chrome. I'm also thinking the purpose of this hump is to protect the 3rd (extra) bolt lug. I'm looking for confirmation before I jump in. Thanks very much for the replies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ColoradoKLR650 4 Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I heard on another forum that this was an intended design feature to render brass non-reloadable (in a military situation, they didn't want to give supplies to the enemy)...even though, as stated here, most shells can be reloaded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
normnip 1 Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I heard on another forum that this was an intended design feature to render brass non-reloadable (in a military situation, they didn't want to give supplies to the enemy)...even though, as stated here, most shells can be reloaded. Yea, I read that post too but I don't think that can be true because the cartridge is dented before it's fired and is "sized" out when fired. I'll bet many Saiga owner's are unaware they have this problem. I've had my Saiga for a few years now and I'm just now really looking in to it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
S5snake 41 Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I polished just the sharp edge of that third lug and that resolved the problem. I didn't disturb the face of it nor would I suggest to do so, just the sharp edge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
normnip 1 Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I polished just the sharp edge of that third lug and that resolved the problem. I didn't disturb the face of it nor would I suggest to do so, just the sharp edge. Thanks for the info.; the less work done the better. However, I am tempted to polish the top of it. It seems that it would make its travel smoother. But I will just smooth the sharp edges first and see how that improves the situation whle dryfiring. I can always do a little more incrementally. I'll be using the gunsmith's neglected friend - whiteout, to help see the points of contact. Is there some more info. you can provide as to why you advise not disturbing the face or top of this 3rd lug bump? Thanks again for all the replies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 My PSL has the same problem. I could see where the brass was striking the cover, so I bought a Valmet ejection port buffer. Didn't solve the problem. I'm waiting to hear back from Pauly, going to glassbolt my bolt and carrier, which I expect to reduce the problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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