movinon2y 1 Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 These Saigas look interesting, a few questions for you guys. I see that Izhmash offers all 3 shotguns in six configurations. My question(s) to you are: (1) Is the quick detachable butt and pistol grip model available and legal to purchase in the USA? (2) Same for the EXP-01 with folded butt (3) Same for the "K" series (4) What is the "Paradox" muzzle about? Thanks, My experience with long guns has been the M16, M79, M60, and M14 .. other than that I don't know much about shotgunin .. the M stuff was all street legal in Nam 101 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ForGreatJustice 1 Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 In a nutshell, "no" is the answer to all your questions. Unless you're a cop. I'm not sure, but I think the paradox choke is a rifled choke tube designed to reliably discard the sabots from saboted shotgun slugs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
movinon2y 1 Posted December 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Ok thanks .. is there a modification available in the states to convert to a quick detachable butt and pistol grip model? These Saigas look interesting, a few questions for you guys.I see that Izhmash offers all 3 shotguns in six configurations. My question(s) to you are: (1) Is the quick detachable butt and pistol grip model available and legal to purchase in the USA? (2) Same for the EXP-01 with folded butt (3) Same for the "K" series (4) What is the "Paradox" muzzle about? Thanks, My experience with long guns has been the M16, M79, M60, and M14 .. other than that I don't know much about shotgunin .. the M stuff was all street legal in Nam 101 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lonestar 0 Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 (edited) Ok thanks .. is there a modification available in the states to convert to a quick detachable butt and pistol grip model? I havent seen any...but sounds kinda cool. I dont see why it would be illegal to have a quick detach butt-stock or pistol grip....am I missing something? . Edited December 30, 2005 by Lonestar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 I have a paradox for my 12 and was told not to use it with saboted slugs. Where did you hear that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
movinon2y 1 Posted December 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I think "GJ" was referring to the Hastings Paradox Muzzle http://www.hastingsbarrels.com/choke.html I have a paradox for my 12 and was told not to use it with saboted slugs. Where did you hear that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ForGreatJustice 1 Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Yeah, sorry. Showing my ignorance about the Paradox chokes there. You might not want to rely too heavily on information from some random guy (me) on an internet forum! :-) Anyway, the detachable pistol grip model would be illegal to import, and thus illegal to construct in the States UNLESS you used enough U.S. made parts in the gun for it to no longer count as an "imported" weapon. Basically, it would be tough to find a QUICK detachable version, but you can certainly get pistol grips that interchange with the original buttstock. You just have to throw a couple of specific US parts in to maintain legality when the weapon is pistol-gripped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
movinon2y 1 Posted December 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I guess that would work,is there a mod kit available to do the conversion one time and not have to nickle and dime it? If so would you know where I can find it? Thanks 101 .. Ashau Valley Yeah, sorry. Showing my ignorance about the Paradox chokes there. You might not want to rely too heavily on information from some random guy (me) on an internet forum! :-) Anyway, the detachable pistol grip model would be illegal to import, and thus illegal to construct in the States UNLESS you used enough U.S. made parts in the gun for it to no longer count as an "imported" weapon. Basically, it would be tough to find a QUICK detachable version, but you can certainly get pistol grips that interchange with the original buttstock. You just have to throw a couple of specific US parts in to maintain legality when the weapon is pistol-gripped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 No real mod kit out there, problem is if you stick a pistol grip on the back by itself, what parts do you make US? Their are no triggers or mags made in the US which means you have to get creative and come up with things like a front handguard, magazine floorplate, etc... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GTwannabe 1 Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I have a paradox for my 12 and was told not to use it with saboted slugs. Where did you hear that? Cobra, how do you like your Paradox rifled choke? How much did it improve your slug groupings? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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