I haven't quite gotten what I wanted out of this thread but it's a start, at least people are responding and 6500, thank you, those are the kind of comments I expected here, and I admit, that motorcycle racing thing looked pretty cool, I also agree with the comment that Joey was put in early and he said it himself, but, on the other hand, it's more seat time and that means he'll the practice he needs-with a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series car!