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No, not yet... unless these rumors continue to be propogated. I say let's all just calm down a bit, take a few cleansing breaths, and STOP PANIC BUYING. The market will stabilize provided the BATF stops F-ing with us. That's if they stop. I doubt they will. It's a "destructive device" OGGAAA BOOGGGAAA!!!!! Think about it. They banned the sweeper and stryker and they only had 12 round drums. That MD20 sorta mighta screwed us. I mean, there is a pic of it right on the study.... Please understand what this is really about!!!! Go to ATF.gov and read it for yourself!!! I

Care to share the company name "in quotes" so we can find it on google? It's New Frontier Armory and the price is old unfortunately.

That was their old price from months ago. If you look at their last post or website it's $635 and it's a pre-order as well. To the OP, that's why I never go to gun shows anymore. The internet killed them since you can always find better deals, not to mention you don't have to pay taxes.

This is definitely more about the fact it comes like this straight from Russia which makes it much more desirable that building something yourself. Sorry but you'll never see these much cheaper than what they are now unless you're unbelievably lucky and someone sells one in an estate sale without knowing what it is. They cost $1000 before you even include import fees and dealer markup. They're selling fast enough without even being in the country yet.

Not always though. For example, if you convert this gun through a reputable source to be as accurate as possible to the un-neutered Saiga 030 and keep it in pristine condition, it will likely increase in value as that's what most people are wanting to do with it anyway. If you do a hack job, put on furniture that doesn't belong, shoot the crap out of it, and/or paint it then yes I agree.

I'm sure you could convert it and still keep the overall look. The only issue would be finding a stock that fits what you want. There are a lot of options out there so I'm sure it could be done though.

I'd be interested in a group buy.

It says on Red Dragun's website that this model is "coming soon" as well. Nice looking shotgun IMO

Mine definitely won't be "neutered", i.e., I bought 2 ProMag 12rnd drums (nutsacks) for the S-12 and will buy 2 more soon... but not at inflated prices. I bought a couple promag 12 drums too (this site is selling them for decent prices). Although I love my MD20s these seem more practical. I wonder if MD will come out with some smaller drums soon....

K-VAR said they will have more in next week. They're currently selling them for $589 which is probably the cheapest you will find by far. Too bad it's not three weeks ago, I got 3 of them for $489 apiece.

finally somebody understands were the money is/could be made if god forbid we have another AWB..the monies made during the ban was in mags and drums...anybody remember $800 beta mags and $125 scherer crap glock mags...even standard capacity glock mags were $60 sans G20 mags which i seen at $150...guns made money but you had to have bought before the 1989 ban..percentage wise the biggest increase was in mags..back in 1986 ar15 mags were a few dollars...during the ban they fetched $30 and more..thats a huge percentage increase..ok ill play nice..if you want one get one..whatever the outcome we a

I'm guessing they might be able to bring in something like this http://gunlegionusa.com/en/index.php/id354

Yeah it looks like all they'll have to do is remove the small rail.

Take off the aimpoint and I'm close to $1500 invested. Thats what is so bad about that. Original? unless you want to make original from the factory a selling point then I would like you to find me another S-12 with a polish safety(not tooting my own horn here just pointing out that there is still inovation being done by DIYers). If original from the factory is a point, how do you feel about FR-7/FR-8s out there? they were originaly 7mm or 8mm mausers. Ishapore or .308 converted lee enfields? (nothing against having Tromix or another gunsmith build something. Sometimes the name is a

No doubt a sweet ass setup but it still wouldn't be an original and what this could potentially end up being. Not sure why there is so much hatred for collectors items in the gun industry (this one is admittedly not there but could be). I'm having Tromix build something for nearly the same price that's set up exactly the way I want and buying this as well for its uniqueness. This model would be tough to build for $1500 as it is, much less come straight from the factory. What's so bad about that?

Hmmm...interesting. One of the few pistols I haven't shot yet, I may need to check this one out.

I absolutely love Tromix's work but everyone knows that an original is worth exponentially more. Maybe not to you but it is to anyone who collects anything, there's no denying it no matter what you may think of it.

Some people said the same thing when I bought a couple magpul/Noveske rifles for $2500 apiece. Now I'm laughing since the models I have sell for $5000 plus. I happen to like collecting along with shooting. This will be my collectors piece if thing go south and my soon to be Tromix conversion will be my work mule.$1500 is not bad at all considering what you get, especially if only 200 get imported. To each their own though and I understand those who don't like safe queens but saying we're getting raped is ridiculous. If only 200 get imported you'll be kicking yourself when you see how much they

I'm in for one and it's $1499.

If they start making US mags for the new LRBHO model can't you just modify them for the magwell like people often do already?

Thanks for the info! Just put in an order for one as well.

I carry a Kahr CW9 during the summer and a XDM9 during the winter. However the CW9 is so slim/small/lightweight that I think I'm just going to carry it year round now. Out of all the variety of pistols in various calibers I own that are carry worthy (S&W 1911, XDM, G19, Colt mustang, HK USP, FNP-9, Beretta M9A1) the CW9 is hands down my favorite to carry.

Only two pics I will post but someone needs to redeem that awful pic above

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So what you are saying is that the M4s the guys in that video were issued are bargain basement DPMS crap and they need to go get on gayR15.cum and read up on the latest Noveske GucciGun Barbie Dreamhouse parts combination to have something that will run like the $40 AK those Islamoturds who are shooting at them have? How many military guys do you know who properly take care of their weapon, not to mention the sometimes beaten to hell rifles their given. You can cherry pick info like every other fan-boy of either system but it doesn't change the facts. Both systems have their in