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Yes that sounds like it would work well. But I have two problems - the first is that they only allow 1 round in the gun at a time and the other is that I don't have a BHO on my gun. (It's on the list of mods to do...). Good to hear that I'm not the only nut trying to shoot trap with the Saiga.

Thanks for clarifying that - makes sense now. So if I had a couple of mags with this mod and an assistant, I could just hand the mags back and forth as my assistant loaded them between shots. It might be cheaper to get another gun for trap, as someone mentioned.

Yea, it may likely be the last time I do it at that range with the 1-round limit. Just thought it was a nice surprise that I did as well as I did with a "Russian Combat Shotgun"

Hah. Yea, I actually already have a cheap pump gun and a cheap bolt action 20 ga. and a single shot break-open 410. Not as much fun as the Saiga though...

Can you elaborate? To use the mag, I could just pop it off, load one round, then pop it back in, fire, then repeat. But that would be a lot more work (in CA where I have to use a Bullet Button) than just hand-loading directly into the chamber. Perhaps I'm missing something...?

So I finally worked up the courage to try a couple rounds of trap today at the range. I've only put maybe 100 or 125 rounds through the S-12 since I acquired it a couple months back (and it had never been fired when I got it). Luckily its an early model and cycles pretty reliably even on the cheap Walmart stuff (I've had maybe 4 or 5 FTEs so far shooting from a loaded mag). Anyway, I was surprised to find that the Saiga was definitely not the limiting factor for me shooting trap (it was my skill). I've only done it twice in my life (today was the second time) and I shot a 10, 10 & 13

I know nothing about modern optics (other than old school scopes) but wouldn't a miniature version also mean a miniature sight picture and more difficult target acquisition?

Heck, most of us that live here don't understand it!

Unfortunately, my understanding is that in CA I'll need a bullet button no matter what. Its not an Federal AWB "evil feature" thing - its a CA DOJ requirement that no automatic shotgun can have a "detachable" magazine. Here's a diagram of what I mean: (not posted directly because its pretty big) http://content.screencast.com/users/bpchristensen/folders/Snagit/media/c4e81e5e-bf04-4d1d-8273-413144d90ea1/2015-10-26_11-57-15.jpeg

Thanks guys. Sounds like I'm narrowing down my v1 build parts list. I say "v1" because I'm sure it won't be 'perfect' enough the first time. Just need to decide on a CA legal (i. e. non-folding, non-collapsible, non-telescoping) butt stock and I should be ready to start ordering parts...

Great - I'll do that, thanks.

Reading a review online it sounds like someone had unspecified "issues" with mounting the AFG, but ended up happy with the setup, so I'm curious if this is a good setup, or if I might be better off with the smaller AFG2. I don't plan to use the side rail for anything, so obstructing it won't be an issue. Thanks

The guns I usually bring aboard are made of wood and have rubber bands...

Sounds great. Now I just have to find a gunsmith competent to do the work. And then get some more mags to make a round of trap more enjoyable. Which of course means I have to do a conversion first in order to use non-OEM mags... <sigh> :-)