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The stock and pistol grip arrived today in perfect condition. Thanks!

Will it fit? Yes (if it's made for an AK with a stamped receiver). Would it be 922r compliant (replacing only buttstock and adding pistol grip)? Maybe. If you use a US made butt stock and pistol grip, you'd be compliant with US made magazines only (not with foreign magazines, including the one that came with the rifle). If you use foreign made butt stock and/or pistol grip, you'd be out of compliance with any magazine. Edited to add: the AK forends will not fit without modifications or part replacements/additions.

They're not known for maintaining zero (especially after removing the cover to clean the rifle). Edited to add: I never tried one on a Saiga, but I have tried them on AK's. I still have one in a box somewhere I bought for an AK that had no rail. I finally gave up on it and got a B-Square mount to replace it.

It depends on where the magazines are made. Assuming the Tapco Intrafuse is the only change made: With foreign magazine* = 14 (922r count, as imported) - 1 (Tapco Buttstock) - 0 (Tapco pistol grip - not imported with one) = 13 (Not 922r compliant) With US made magazine = 14 - 1 (Tapco Buttstock) - 0 (Tapco pistol grip) - 3 (US made magzine) = 10 (922r compliant) * - Adding a pistol grip requires 922r compliance, so even the factory 10 round magazine would be not compliant without swapping out other 922r parts.

Before you order a new Safety, you might want to try the WASR Safety in you Saiga (should work, and will show you if the replacement Romanian Safety will work in the Saiga). Also, try the Saiga Safety in your WASR (it might work there even though it doesn't in the Saiga). If they both work when swapped, you're good to go.

It means, basically, returning it to original AK configuration. There's a whole section on it here: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showforum=67 and you can look here: http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/

While it would be possible to swap out three more parts (hammer, disconnector, and piston for example) at that point you're better off just doing the full conversion.

Yes you'd be compliant, but only with the US made magazines. Once you add the pistol grip, 922r applies. So, using a foreign magazine of any capacity (including the one that came with the rifle) would not comply (unless you swap out some more parts).

You're right about the Tapco stock and US made mags being compliant, and Tapco Intrafuse does contain two 922r listed parts (buttstock and pistol grip), but since Saigas are imported without a pistol grip, only one counts towards compliance. It's not how many US made parts you add, it's how many 922r listed foreign parts you remove. I don't know if it's the easiest, but it is the cheapest. It also allows you to still use the mag that came with the gun (unlike adding the Intrafuse).

The only ones I know of are ProMags: http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?pid=85054 My experience with ProMags (not for Saiga, but other types) has not inspired confidence in the brand. YMMV.

Thanks!

The ammo arrived today in perfect condition. Thanks pvt joker!

I'd like to buy the SAW grip and Stock (if Juggernaut doesn't want it). PM sent.

Here's one: http://cgi.ebay.com/SAIGA-WOOD-STOCK-SET-E...1QQcmdZViewItem

I suspect, once MSA's AR mag adapters are shipped, there'll be a few factory mags become available. I'll likely get rid of mine, at that time.

Hey I'm bad with pics, but you can google the Saiga M and see that its identical to one of the above posts. There's no flash hider and the muzzle has no threads, so based on these postsI think I'm at 14-3 (Surfire Mag)=11, so I still need to do something for compliance. As I said, I really like the wood, so that sort of leaves the FCG. This stock FCG in this rifle does not have any trigger slap. This trigger has some minor take up and then releases pretty lightly - my opinion. Many thanks, jcs44 You could replace the gas piston.

jamesavery22, I see where you got the idea the rifle has a flash hider ( http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/saiga.shtml ), but that's the Russian site and I've never seen one like that imported in the U.S. (I don't think they can be, with a flash hider). Look at this one (how the're imported): http://www.centerfiresystems.com/saiga223m...artsai-b-1.aspx The FSB goes all the way to the end of the barrel, no Flash hider, brake or thread protecter. The muzzle's also not threaded (you can't see that in the photo, but I have one and so I know it's not threaded).

AFAIK, Saiga rifles aren't imported with muzzle attachments, so their 922r Parts count is 14 (not the 15 you listed). 14 - 3 (FCG) - 1 (addition 922r part) = 10 (compliant) http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/BuildSaigaVerifyCompliance http://www.dinzagarms.com/922r/922r.html

Possible? Yes. In fact, I did this initially with a Saiga-M .223 (not the thumbhole model, but one with a standard Saiga stock and 308 FCG). I intended (and still intend) to use it exclusively with US made AR mags (using the MSA adapter). With the Choate Dranunov Stock and US made magazines it would be 922r compliant, but the trigger pull was sufficiently inferior to the Saiga 308's I'd done (using Dinzag's FCG's) that I decided to go ahead and replace the whole FCG.

I have a couple of red dots sitting in my shed. I really liked them (they're fast to use, great for low light use, and precise enough). But, I got tired of taking them out of the safe and finding the batteries dead. That, IMHO, is the downfall of the cheaper red dots (low battery life). Now something like an Eotech or (better yet) Aimpoint has much better battery life but can cost as much as (or more than) you paid for the gun. I ended up getting low powered variable scopes with lighted reticles (1-4x or 2-7x). Not quite as fast as the red dot, and not quite as good in low light,

Only if the magazines are foreign. If magazines are US made: 14 (Saiga rifle as imported) -3 (US made FCG) - 3 (US made Magazine) = 8 (922 compliant) Swap out one more part and you don't need to worry about the magazines: 14 (Saiga rifle as imported) -3 (US made FCG) - 1 (US made; piston, or buttstock, or forend) = 10 (922 compliant)

They also make them in .223: http://www.centerfiresystems.com/saiga223m...artsai-b-1.aspx

Yes, as long as you use US made magazines, and not a foreign one of any capacity (including the one that came with the gun, because you've added a pistol grip). Yes, it's the number of 922r parts (10 or less) that matters, not which ones (with the caveat about foreign magazines).

You might want to post this here: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showforum=42