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Vlad, many people beleived as you did in this country before the florida experiment when they legalized concealed carry. Many expected there to be a massive increase in crime and accidents from all the citizens having guns. However, the opposite was found. Out of hundreds of thousands of licensed concealed carry permits, there was one wrongful (accident) use of a firearm and many many lawful ones in defense against people that were committing violent crimes. Even the people that were opposed to concealed carry here (especially the police in miami) were amazed that crime dropped so much an

I dont know what news you get in russia, but so far no arabs have been produced from among the terrorists, either dead or alive. The one they captured sure looked like a russian to me. If there were arabs amongst the terrorirsts, let them be shown on TV. Surely, they were Muslims, but this is obvious, as all Chechens are. A gun for self defense is useless if you dont carry it when you are attacked. Do you think anyone in Ingushetia would choose to be without a handgun at all times, being right across the border from chechenya? And the point is that youi dont NEED "special swat train

The 18 inches is measured from the base of the chamber right? I assume that is why you are using the spent shotshell. Any ideas on where to get cheap shotgun ammo? I have seen a few decent deals on Sellier and Bellot buck but wanted to ask you guys first. Walmart has insanely cheap prices, but they only sell birdshot.

I emailed ACE telling them that a lot of people were interested in buying something like their Remington 870 "adaptor plus pistol grip" but with an AK adaptor instead of a remington one. I told him there were a ton of sporterized Saiga AK clones in this country who were eager to do this mod. I also gave them a link to this page. Hopefully someone will step up to the plate.

I got the same ass-hat on the phone that you guys did and posted my experience in the other EAA selling 8 round mags thread. I think they dont want to sell anything over 5 rounds because someone might notice and say 'holy shit its an ugly shotgun lol ban" which the ATF can do thanks to the 1968 act. I wish that we had more progun people in the senate. 90 percent of the senate is people rated F for gun issues. Even though it is republican controlled, they are worst bunch of sellouts ever. I wish there was some way to counteract the presecnce of all the fucking liberals in miami that

Logically it seems like a hacksaw and a vise are all that is needed to make an 18 inch barrel, but what about crowning and stuff? What will be the effects of sawing off the barrel (besides the legal troubles if I saw off too much)?

That is insane. I have been shooting regular rifled barrel guns since I was 16 years old. They are practically unregulated here. I am going to go to a gun show this weekend and see if I can pick up an AK this weekend. By the way, I was thinking of Beslan today and I remembered that it was the first day of school with like 500 students and 1000 parents plus teachers. If that had been florida, there would have been at least 20 or 30 concealed carry permits among the parents that day and the terrorists would have been easily outnumbered. Guns are technically not allowed in schools, but there

With a permanetly affixed muzzle brake the allowable barrel length goes down a bit.

Close LB but not entirely correct. The "sporting purposes" clause of the 1968 Gun Control Act says that the definition of a "destructive device" includes any gun with > .50 caliber that does not have "sporting porpses." Since "sporting purposes" is not defined in the statute, the Secretary of the Treasury or his delegate (The ATF naturally) can arbitrarily determine that 50 caliber guns and 20 gauge or bigger shotguns of their choice are "not sporting" and therefore "destructive devices," subject to registration. Current 50 caliber rifles actually measure something like .498 from

For those of us that dont live in AZ, could you provide contact information? Actually, would sending him the gun across state lines count as a "transfer?" Would you need to have an FFL send him the gun and then have him send the gun back to an FFL? God I have the fucking ATF.

I thought we were just gettting it for the trigger. The gun already has an AK style hammer that should work ok with the G2 trigger, no? Btw, what are you using to replace the rivets that you remove? screws? cotter pins?

I just talked to one of the retards at EAA and he tried to tell me about how 8 round mags are banned under the "sporting purposes act" and then tried to tell me how it was part of a 1994 law. I tried to explain to him that the "sporting purposes" clause was part of the 1968 act and didnt actually ban anything, but gave them the authority to ban shotguns as an administrative action, but he wasnt listening. So they wont be selling 8 round mags. You would think someone in the firearms industry would at least know the laws and what they mean. Ass clowns.

If someone will post the contact information of EAA I will gladly contribute some nagging to the effort. I intend to buy maybe 4 or 5 8 rounders.

I just got my saiga today and took it apart to see how it works and I have to say I like the simplicity of the AK action a lot. Some interesting/annoying things: Good: The gun is lighter than I expected. The gun seems fairly simple and is easy to take down for cleaning and reassemble. I just realized that the trigger is a few inches further back than on a normal AK and has a rube goldberg device that conveys the force of the trigger to the actual fire control group. Stupid sporting purposes. More annoyingly. the trigger assembly is held together with rivets instead of screw

I didnt intend it as a serious insult. I am usually a lot more creative when I wish to insult someone. Sorry if I offended.

5 round mags arent illegal. Shotguns with FIXED magazines over 5 rounds are illegal (assuming they also have pistol grips, etc). Hasnt this been discussed to death already? Also, its not like they will arrive here before the 14th anyway.

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Are those real functional 8 rounders? Isnt that like 60 bucks in UK money? I will feel stupid if I buy like 4 of them and drum mags come out.

Kerry has indiecated he wants to ban any gun that is in use by the military or police force of any country. This means no pump shotguns, etc etc. He will probably try to nail everything he can as a DD unless they repeal the "sporting purposes" clause of the 1968 act (which would actually be a good thing). I wouldnt mind having "short barreled rifles" and "short barreled shotguns" made legal and reclassified as pistols since the only difference is cosmetic, as per the Thompson Center vs ATF lawsuit in 91.

That post was more disorganized than two dogs fucking a styrofoam cooler. I agreed with the parts of it I could understand, but you need to seriously edit it and split it into sentences and paragraphs and stuff.

Guys Im not saying to be complacent, I'm saying that we have to adopt the tactics of other successful groups. Lets take social security for instance. The social security system is on the verge of bankruptcy. But do you hear a single politician even mutter anything that sounds even remotely like "lets trim back social security"? No, of course not. Every politician knows that cutting granpa's check is political suicide, a fact the AARP strives to remind all politicians of contantly. What do old people do that most gun owners dont? They write their congressman. They vote. They watch their po

Not likely. You guys dont see that the pendulum has swung pretty much as far as it can in the shitty direction already. People in the UK are finally getting sick of high gun crime rate in a country that has outlawed EVERYTHING for years now. It is pretty much impossible to legally get anything more powerful than a pellet gun but people are getting robbed and/or capped with guns now. It is shocking to many how easy it is to get a gun illegally. I think it is only a matter of time before people start carrying illegally. People in the AU have had the "it will never happen" wakeup call. Hopef

If you are worried about underpenetration you shouldnt be using a shotgun. If you are worried about overpenetration you shouldnt be shooting needle rounds. Isnt this why we use shotguns for home defense? Beats replastering the walls. Just use #1 buck and if your burglar happens to have acquired himself a vest (not really likely) just shoot him in the face with one of the followup shots. You can keep the fancy pants rounds.

I already have someone lined up to do the 18.5 inch barrel conversion, but I need a source for PG/FS conversion and an affordable source for drum mags or high cap box mags. If it really comes down to it I can break out the metal shears and make my own, but I would obviously prefer the convenience of getting a high quality mass produced part.

For every state that is trying to disarm their citizens, there are a dozen states passing better self defense immunity laws and concealed carry laws. Florida permits all nfa weapons and is a shall issue state among many other cool things. We also dont have smog check. It is ironic that I can more easily own a silencer or machine gun than an ak47 with a pistol grip.