MeatGrinder 0 Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 I want to buy one of these in the Sporter version. I have a couple SARs in 7.62x39. Knowing the AK action is not the best for long range sniper work, will one of these calibers out shoot the other at 200-300 yards? This is with a scope. Would my SAR be just as accurate as the Saiga? Is 300 yards realistic for an AK? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 the saiga is tight because it's new. it's a little more accurate than sar, or a mak-90. I have the 20.5" bbl and have out shot both these variants. can't beat the tightness of a new receiver! the .308 will shoot straighter to 300yds. get both there cheap! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Ahh, but how does the Saiga 308 compare to the Romanian RomakIII in 308 or 7.62x54? I've still got my eye on one of them even though they don't share the reasonable price tags Saigas do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 I want the SAIGA in 30-06. Come on EAA get on the stick! G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 God, we are nutty?!?! aren't we. hehe. we're basically sayin': get it! then when you've got some more money, get another! I like the romak III too! seems every time I turn on the TV, some middle eastern guy's got one - I spot it in a minute! probably paid some goat cheese, and pick of a camel litter, for it. let's see what happens after sept 14. you still can't import can you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Can't import, what, the Romak III, of course you can get them, Centerfire sell them for $700. Or if you're good, you can buy a parts kit and make one. When you see them on TV, are they Romaks or true Dragunovs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 I'm not sure that I can tell the difference. I do know that centerfire WILL sell them for about $400 total, AND you can do them with screws instead of rivets. The hardest part is drilling and tapping the trunion, from what I can gather. Sounds fun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
metroplex 0 Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 According to the ballistics for 7.62x39, it CAN go out to 500 yd but there's almost a 120" drop when zeroed at 200 yd!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 i've heard the .223 is supposed to be effective to 800yds. I know that on the first setting of the rear sight I can shoot to about 160yds with little drop, with 7.62X39. it still is going fast enough to puncture skin I guess, @ 500, but would you really want to try? we all know that the .308 is the better rifle for that type of shot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
metroplex 0 Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 With 7.62x39, you're going to have to pretty much shoot it like an M-203 at 500yd .... it would be pretty fun to try at a firing range offering that kind of range. With .223, the Army states the effective range of an M4/M16 is 550m. From what the soldiers have said, at 550m a tree branch will deflect the bullet. While it MIGHT be able to hit a target at 800m; the amount of damage/penetration is severely limited. The tried and true 7.62x51 will be a much better long range cartridge than the 7.62x39, but I'm not too clear on the availability of 0.308 AK mags. I got a VEPR K in 7.62x39 because of the cheap and readily available magazines and plinking ammo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glitch308 0 Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 This is a great question. I bought a 308 'cause everybody's got an ak in 7.62x39. At first I was leaning towards the 22" barrel, but everyone said the 16" barrel is stiffer and thus more accurate. This all sounded great until the first time I saw my 16" 308 fired. An 18" muzzle flash visible in broad daylight tells me I'm wasting a lot of energy, losing velocity, and might even be better off with the 7.62x39 with the milder recoil. The Romak-3 is a terrific looking rifle. I'm convinced look-alike furniture could be made with a little work, and the casual observer would never know the difference, especially on a 22" barreled 308. The only hangup is the front bracket for the lower handguard; it would have to be welded to the barrel I think. A friend is sure he can do this for me, says it's not enough heat to worry about damaging the barrel, and I guess he's right. That's the way the original AKs were made. I have fabricated 3 different dragunov style stocks from common plywood, with simple tools, just to test the theory. I expect to be doing one for a friend soon that doesn't involve a PG conversion. If it all works out, I'll post the info and you can try it yourself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
metroplex 0 Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 There's always the 20" VEPR II 0.308 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 that thing with the shorter barrel, I have to disagree. hardly ANY tacticle sniper type weapons go any shorter than 20". I'm convinved that my 20" 7.62X39 is more accurate than most 16" clones because of the barrel length. I will get one with the longer barrel, even if it's wood furniture (given the choice i'll always choose synthetic), which seems to be more available. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glitch308 0 Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Interesting. I wonder why Saiga makes a 16" barrel 308? Does anybody make different barrels for the AK action? For that matter, with the ban over and the Russians our buds now, when is someone going to start making an American AK based rifle? Now that would be cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
metroplex 0 Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 I believe Molot also makes a 16" 0.308 barrel... Robinson Armaments (importers of the Vepr rifles) claims there's no accuracy difference between the 20" and 16" 7.62x39 rifles at under 200 yd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gandalf 0 Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Interesting. I wonder why Saiga makes a 16" barrel 308? Does anybody make different barrels for the AK action? For that matter, with the ban over and the Russians our buds now, when is someone going to start making an American AK based rifle? Now that would be cool. Hmmm...thinking about this. Why make a .308 with only a 16" barrel? Well, If you want a CQB rifle with penetrating capabilities, it would work very well. Put a half-decent scope on it, and you're effective out to about 400+ yards. By "effective" I mean a combination of accuracy, penetration, and bullet drop. If your looking for a 500+ yard rifle, I'd go with the longer barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 I see what you guys are sayin', consider the use of the gun! they make it in the 16" barrel because, the origonals are made in that length. isn't the 16.5" barrel standard on the origonal design (AK)? you get a higher muzzle velocity with the shorter barrel?!? better penetration? I'll always go for the longer barrel, I think it makes up for any slop in the receiver - in the end. maybe I'm being stupid, I can't let it go! ..........I need therapy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gandalf 0 Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 I see what you guys are sayin', consider the use of the gun! they make it in the 16" barrel because, the origonals are made in that length. isn't the 16.5" barrel standard on the origonal design (AK)? you get a higher muzzle velocity with the shorter barrel?!? better penetration?I'll always go for the longer barrel, I think it makes up for any slop in the receiver - in the end. maybe I'm being stupid, I can't let it go! ..........I need therapy For therapy you need to buy another Saiga and take it shooting. You'll feel happier and more relaxed in no time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 That's excactly what my proctologist said!!! I will too, a .308's a'comin', you can't cross the proctologist! if you have a beef with him - you're in a world of hurt! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
welbo 0 Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 I wish you wouldn't mention "proctologist" and "beef" in the same sentence. welbo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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