macgyverhk 3 Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 I live in ct and as such our AWB still remains which means a siaga can not have a pistol grip attached. I was wondering if any of you knew of a way to attach a knoxx compstock to it. The compstock comes in mossberg and 870 configurations but would need an adaptor of some king to combine the two. Any thoughts? I also am looking to have mine made to a sbs with an 8" barrel. How well do you thing that combination would work. How would it look? I figue the compstock would assist in recoil and bumping. Looking for opinions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 I live in ct and as such our AWB still remains which means a siaga can not have a pistol grip attached. I was wondering if any of you knew of a way to attach a knoxx compstock to it. The compstock comes in mossberg and 870 configurations but would need an adaptor of some king to combine the two. Any thoughts? I also am looking to have mine made to a sbs with an 8" barrel. How well do you thing that combination would work. How would it look? I figue the compstock would assist in recoil and bumping. Looking for opinions. would something like this suit your needs i put one on mine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macgyverhk 3 Posted April 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Possibly but the ATF ruling on thumbhole stocks causes me concern. I think if possible to attach a mossberg or Remington stock to the saiga would make it a pleasure to shoot all day long. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Possibly but the ATF ruling on thumbhole stocks causes me concern. I think if possible to attach a mossberg or Remington stock to the saiga would make it a pleasure to shoot all day long. i think it would require cutting off the tang and using a receiver block... in the same fashion as using an ace folder i think this is what you are trying to accomplish... this is available at saiga-12.com but if i suspect... you are trying to get around the folding issue.. as i was supposed to weld the folder on my ranch rifle in the ban here in oregon... but didn't and waited for the ban to expire Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArcFault 4 Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 He is trying to find a nicer sporter stock than the one that his gun came with. The CT AWB reads exactly like the old federal ban minus the hicaps for riflles. For shotties its a 2 feature rule, so semi-auto + detachable mag = you can't put a pistol grip on an S-12. What is the ATF ruling on thumbholes exactly? I missed the memo somehow and I can't seem to find it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 He is trying to find a nicer sporter stock than the one that his gun came with. The CT AWB reads exactly like the old federal ban minus the hicaps for riflles. For shotties its a 2 feature rule, so semi-auto + detachable mag = you can't put a pistol grip on an S-12. What is the ATF ruling on thumbholes exactly? I missed the memo somehow and I can't seem to find it. that sux... pm battlerifleg3... he does amazing work with wood stocks if you can live with wood furniture perhaps something along these lines? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArcFault 4 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 What is the ATF ruling on thumbholes exactly? I missed the memo somehow and I can't seem to find it. OK, nevermind, found it. I'm a little embarassed that I never heard this, I was aware of the choate stock ruling but I thought that that was specific. I've discussed this with dealers (I know they aren't the authority on law) and they are still under the impression that a thumbhole is not considered a pgrip in CT. What a mess laws are. Anyone else from CT or elswhere have insight? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 What is the ATF ruling on thumbholes exactly? I missed the memo somehow and I can't seem to find it. OK, nevermind, found it. I'm a little embarassed that I never heard this, I was aware of the choate stock ruling but I thought that that was specific. I've discussed this with dealers (I know they aren't the authority on law) and they are still under the impression that a thumbhole is not considered a pgrip in CT. What a mess laws are. Anyone else from CT or elswhere have insight? now i'm confused... but you have my cuiosity peaked... back up a bit and elaborate wut did you uncover? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArcFault 4 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I did some googleing and a good bit of searching here, like an ass I didnt bookmark anything so I cant reffer to specific sources at the moment. It's vague as usual, but way back during the federal ban days, (remember them? ) the ATF was pressured to rule on thumbholes by the brady bunch and others. It seems that they were bothered by people using them to get around the AWB. Well, the ATF said thumbhole = PG basically. There was also something about guns being imported as sporting w/ thumbholes that they also ruled against them on. I'm still a little unclear, but when unclear err on caution I guess. I'm guessing that this isnt disscussed much anymore because the AWB no longer exists for most of us. If I got this all f***ed up, someone tell me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArcFault 4 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 In the meantime poor Macgyver here just wants his answer. While I'm sure he would be happy w/ a thumbhole, he was asking about something else. Sorry I hijacked man. Sooo... can anyone help him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 In the meantime poor Macgyver here just wants his answer. While I'm sure he would be happy w/ a thumbhole, he was asking about something else. Sorry I hijacked man. Sooo... can anyone help him? no appologies... i almost put a thumbhole on a 10-22 i had during the ban i think the best bet for him is battlerifleg3... i've seen some of his sporter non thumbhole stocks he does amazing work Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hoop762 0 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 +1 to BRG3 ive never handled any of is wooden furniture, but the pics he posts of some of the work he has done are outstanding, and i never read anything negative about his craftsmanship. go for it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Someone once posted photos of a one piece pistol grip stock here that was made for the S12 that did not require moving the FCG. Does anyone remember when that was? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 The thumbholes were a funny item relating to the ban. They did count as pistol grips, so they counted as your one restricted feature during the ban. So you couldn't put a bayonet lug or a flash hider on a MAK-90. But they counted as "sporting", so an otherwise importable rifle could have a thumbhole stock and not need US parts. Hence the single stack WASRs still coming in with thumbholes. Then when they hit our shores the tools come out and they're modified to the unimportable double-stack models with US replacement parts. Far as my abilities go, it MAY be possible to mod a Knoxx stock to fit a Saiga-12. My only concern would be the risk of modifying and messing up something so high in value. A less expensive option that I could quote with confidence would be a customized stock with a limbsaver recoil pad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Someone once posted photos of a one piece pistol grip stock here that was made for the S12 that did not require moving the FCG.Does anyone remember when that was? me i think... otherwise it is the folder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 I live in ct and as such our AWB still remains which means a siaga can not have a pistol grip attached. I was wondering if any of you knew of a way to attach a knoxx compstock to it. The compstock comes in mossberg and 870 configurations but would need an adaptor of some king to combine the two. Any thoughts? I also am looking to have mine made to a sbs with an 8" barrel. How well do you thing that combination would work. How would it look? I figue the compstock would assist in recoil and bumping. Looking for opinions. perhaps these will help you http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...p;mode=threaded Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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