Bvamp 604 Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 well, I broke down and put parts on one of my guns. Kept saying I would never do it, but I just broke down and had to change my ways. Got all the parts you see from Blackjack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 My friend has the same parts as well as a vertical grip on the front...but I don't know anyone around here that uses 20rd mags for AK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted September 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 20 rounder == 5 bucks. buy 15 instead of a drum. I will be adding two (yes two) lasers sighted perpendicular to the barrel, not crossing downrange, and a vertical grip sooner or later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 that looks cool as hell!!! nice friggin job! different than all the rest I've seen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Two lasers huh? ...is that to balance them out on the sides or just because you have them laying around? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vjor 2 Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 hummmmmmmmmmm really nice, like the butt stock, like the gun all of it. by the way you know that with the adapter for the ar butt stock, if you decide the day of tomorw to change butt stock, you can get diferent butt stocks from ace that will fit the ar adapter to ak that yuo have, that little adapter is a A+. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I guess there's one good thing about the ar, the buttstocks! funny ky! maybe one to point out the pie charts, too! I couldn't resist Bvamp!! it's still a nice looking weapon!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Bvamp: Does your stock collapse? When we put one on my friend's AK, we put a screw through it so it wouldn't, till now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted September 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 (edited) does my stock telescope here? in NEW YORK? you are mad asking me that KySoldier LOL! it did for about ten minutes when I first put it on so I could get a measurement and put it in the shortest legal position and drill/tap it. now I have to find me a black chrome bolt, cause the screw I have in it now looks stupid. I think that CAR15 stock produces more felt recoil somehow. the gun is heavier though, with the new parts, so I know that its not because it lost some weight. have to get one of those gay looking butt pads for it. prolly will put a cheekrest on it too now that Ive shot a few hundred rounds with the new setup, and am seeing what I dont like about snap firing it. (when i say snap fire, i mean standing with the rifle at my side or in both hands at the hip and shouldering it el rapido) the way it is now, im shouldering it past the sight plane because of the lower top of the stock. maybe Ill get used to it as is. plus it should hide the gay bolt as well. and the two laser thing im going to do to it, no, I dont have them laying around, but I am going to send for them. I might line them up to cross at 50 yards and try that as well as what I was saying about making them parrallel to the barrel (not perpendicular like i said up above). If i can get the dual laser thing close enough together, I should have a great sight combined with the reddot. put the three dots equally in line, and pow! lasers arent for long range shooting anyways, right? I have to see if its practical when I get them I guess, and if its not, Ill stick to one and use the other laser on another gun. I cant decide if i want to put the bipod back on it. probably wont. And Im not sure if i put the lasers on it if im going to put a vertical handgrip on the bottom rail (leaning tword this option now) or if I want a tactical light on there. I guess I could do both. any ideas guys? One thing im tossing around is putting a regular AR stock like what on my armalite that I have now....... Edited September 15, 2004 by Bvamp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted September 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 by the way, as I mentioned all the parts came from blackjack....the pistol grip is the ergonomic grip, and I tell ya, my bigger hand feels good on it. the old stick grip that it came with was made for someone 5 feet tall or something. Also, the Ultimak rail is on there, and is one of the highest quality parts Ive ever seen for an AK type. The lower front stock is a trirail also from blackjack, and it feels good and bulky in the left hand. the car15 stock is good quality, and the stock adapter was easy to fit, adjust, and install. small adjustments had to be made to the trirail grip to allow the clamps on the Ultimak rail to fit which was done with a dremel. Great parts, even better in combination I think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 so the rail works out? it does seem more practicle than the bulky scope mount! especially for the red dot. but you have to have the regular front hand guard setup for it to work right, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted September 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 well, it fits perfectly on my SAR1. you would need the two piece front grip of course. I would imagine with a regular saiga it would fit, but you would need to make some changes to your front stock. Also, this part is made a little bit short, and is supposed to be centered (says the maker) between the gas port and rear block. what makes it work so good is that it is clamped quite well to the barrel. And yeh, it is much faster for picking up a target with a red dot if the sight is placed more twords the muzzle end of the gun. The best part is you can still see your iron sights through the optic. it is designed for exactly that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Siagalova 0 Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 The clamp to the barrel is what I wanted to hear! sounds really cool! if I buy some mak 90 or somethin', or do the handguard conversion, I think I'm sold. thanx bvamp! I scoffed at first, but I think I'm sold. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted September 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 sorry, its not A clamp, it is TWO clamps, and they arent cheap metal either. and dont expect to see any tool marks on it either....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Integratedj 1 Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 We have almost the same SAR1, only diff is I went with the HK style "ergo"grip, and a standard kvar extended buttstock. Mounted a Trijicon reflexII on my ultimak, and one of black jacks bolt hold open safties(range requirement here). I will never go back from the ultimak setup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 yeh i love that ultimak gas tube. if i do ever sell the gun, its not going with it either. I did have to crank my sights up a little bit higher, as I had it set to "pointblank". I cranked the front post out some, and upped the rear sight, and I now have a sweet sight/target picture with the red dot. Integratedj : what are the last 4 digits of your serial # and do you have any or did ya HAVE any trigger slap on yours? mine is 2000 and didnt start with any, developed into a lot of it and just went away on its own. i was about 50 rounds from ripping the trigger group out and rebuilding it when it started to subside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Integratedj 1 Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 I did close to 6,000 with no trigger slap at all. I just put in an RSA adjustable trigger in and it is very sweet. Mine is 1799 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 its weird, i tell ya. I see the guys with saigas that get it tend to have broken parts later on, but mine is holding its own. I dont get it. I probably should just redo the trigger group and not worry about it huh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Integratedj 1 Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 I'd say just do it, after the ultimak, it was the best mod I have dome so far, and then the bolt hold open safety from black jack that I further modified to be able to release and chamber a waiting round while the rifle is shouldered, just for fun. (only works with FMJ and HP, not softpoints, not enough momentum for the SP). RSA has a bad ass warranty, I believe lifetime, so if you ever have a prob they will stp up and help you out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Integratedj 1 Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Here is an older pic of it. It is currently being refinished. This was just a quick picture I took. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 cool.....what are you doing for a finish? camo or something? I really didnt want to put any more money into my 350 dollar gun, but I just had to redo it, cause the stock was so short, and that wood that was on it just looked like some kid dunked it in poly. now for some lasers.......ill get that predator-style sight on there if it kills me.....then Im going to just buy more guns instead of parts for a while I think. Id rather have another jane-plain gun instead of redoing any others I have for the price this upgrade cost me...gotta LOVE that ultimak rail though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Integratedj 1 Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 I'm gonns hsve Derek over at AZEX arms in Gilbert, Az do his Parkote on it. I have also changed the buttstock since that photo to one of the KVAR "nato" length black ones, I got ape arms so it helped me shoot more comfortably.In that pic it is one of the MSG/POS stocks that is basically a block of wood with a synthetic chunk of crap attached to it and then sprayed with truckbed liner. Nothing compared to what their advertising showed in a pic. I also had derek thread the barrel for me, and then had another guy recrown it. It shoots alot tighter after the recrowning job. I would love to have the predator style laser setup, but I think it may be a little to bulky. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 yeh, it will be a little bit bulky, but im not planning on charging through brush with it anytime soon. and if it just isnt doable, ill move the extra pointing devices onto other guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Integratedj 1 Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 (edited) Sounds like reason enough to get that setup. If it could look like this /_\ It would be really cool, except equal on all sides. Edited October 8, 2004 by Integratedj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 yeh, it would be nice, but Ill have to make due with a pair of dots and the red dot in the center of them. Im thinking it would work as a rangefinder as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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