mavrick16o 6 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 i read an topic just the other week about a guy breaking two apg mags with in less than 20 rnds. i had already ordered mine directly from apg the day before, just got it half an hour ago, loaded it up after giving it the once over, and hand cycling some ronds, upon first insertion noticed some loosness in the mag, went throuh many disattachments and reattchments, all with the bolt held open!! compared to factory 5 rnd mag no obviouse defects, went on ahead and shot two rounds, feed like a dream, loaded up with 8 shots (to break in spring slowly) fired all eight rounds at my target at the edge of the woods, man it was sweet , then i loaded it up with all 10 rds with bolt open, chambered the 11TH round, fired and the mag fell on the porch!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! found the lip on the front of the mag broke and it just fell out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! has any one else had problems with this????????????? the only thing i think that my mag and the other one i read about is that i think there both the new ones that came out in late july or aug of this summer. is there clearance differances between the previous shotguns and the new ones????????????????????????????????????????????????? all shells were 3in 12 gauge bb shot please help Quote Link to post Share on other sites
banshee 69 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Pictures??????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mavrick16o 6 Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 sorry about the agp spelling typo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrwilson 5 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 all shells were 3in 12 gauge bb shot please help Maybe thats the problem, I thought these were limited to 2.75 inchers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mavrick16o 6 Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 just put in my factory 5 rd mag but it also shook back and forth so tolarance/clearance issue are probbaly not the cause???? or is there more to the stroy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 These guns are built to a wide range of tolerances. The Saiga/AK design is a good one, but I am sure that it is a nightmare to make aftermarket parts for them for just this reason. I had to file quite a bit off my factory mag release just to get the OEM Saiga magazines to work! AGP seems to stand behind there product, why not just give them a call and arrange to send them back? You may have gotten one that was defective for one reason or the other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mavrick16o 6 Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 i wasnt aware that there was a diffrence between 2.75 high velocity/high brass, and a normal 3 inch round. and whats the point of 10 rds of 2.75 bird shot? and also why would the mag be made to fit 3 inch shells if incapable of handling them, i think your thinking of the mdarms 20 rd drum??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Navy87Guy 1 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 i wasnt aware that there was a diffrence between 2.75 high velocity/high brass, and a normal 3 inch round. and whats the point of 10 rds of 2.75 bird shot?and also why would the mag be made to fit 3 inch shells if incapable of handling them, i think your thinking of the mdarms 20 rd drum??? Obviously there's a difference between 2.75 and 3 inch shells - 1/4 inch. That's measured when the crimp is expanded, by the way. You are correct - the S12 can handle boths sizes in the same magazine. The S20 has two different mags for the two different sizes, though you can mod the mag/follower to handle both. Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mavrick16o 6 Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 i am in no way trying to put a blimish on agp's record, the reason i got there mag over the russian 8, is that every one had nothing but positve feedback on there mag, just sucks it was mine that had to be the problem child!! i do not forsee any problems with returning the mag (already sent e-mail, b/c the phone service was already closed for the day), but i have an unofficial work skeet shoot coming up at the end of the month, and after the last one (sporting dads remington 870, nice gun but was on waiting list for saiga 12 and had been talking the saiga's praises before even possesing one) i work as a diesle tech, and after building the siaga for so long yall can only imagine the griff i would have got if this mishap had happend at the begining of the skeet shot. i plan on having this one repalced and hoping for the best, but i will be buying other agp mags before then, and i hope i can only represent the saiga and agp names in a manner in which the members of this forum would be proud, there are already two coworkers who are intrested in my saiga 12 after only seeing it, and hearing its based on the AK. I am sorry this topic has ruffled some feathers, i just want to get my gun/mag combo right before the skeet shoot, i would like every one to see what a great gun siaga makes and how much better it can be with a AGP mag!! mavrick16o/matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mavrick16o 6 Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 was refering to amount of kick and velocty between the 2.75 and 3inch, i usualy only shoot 2.75 slugs, or high velosity shot, and just 3inch non slug ammo. when looking for discount ammo online, seems the 2.75 ammo thats slug, buck, or just high velocity in general; usaly is not much slower "FPS" than any of the 3 inch ammo i have found?????????? could be wrong!! if so please correct me. this is after all my first personal firearm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kmoore 3 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Not sure what the question on 3 inches is for. The shotgun and magazines are set up to handle them. Recoil wise, they are going to be harder on everything (shoulder, gun, mag etc) but that's ok. Seems to me like you got a bad mag and I'd bet a dollar to a dime that AGP will fix it up for you. I'd love to see pictures. Given the other report, I wonder if there was a bad batch of something. Don't worry, you'll get a good one, and it'll last for a very long time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mavrick16o 6 Posted September 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 apg is sending a replacment mag, with no questions about the broken one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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