Caspian 32 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Tony (Tromix) has already given a primer on how to improve reliablity by putting in a stronger extractor spring. This seems to put to rest the "jam-o-matic" complaints. Tony discussing the SAS-12 I finally got one and have been toying with it. Things tht make it cool: 1) easy to cut the barrel down and open the gas ports without being a machinist with a lathe and mill. Simple drill press or hand drill will do it. Not so easy with the Saiga. 2) Magazines are metal. This makes for adding a section of magazine on the bottom pretty easy. It also makes combining two magazines into one a possiblity. 3) The mag well is easier (IMO) to insert mags than the Saiga. It's a straight up slam rather than a rocking. 4) receiver can be drilled and tapped for a scope mount or aftermarket ghost ring sights 5) it's super cheap. $119 at SOG and $99 at Century Now for the downfalls: 1) you can only shoot 2 3/4" cartridges 2) you need to throughly disassemble it and clean it before shooting. you will notice an improved smoothness in the cycling after cleaning out the grit. 3) no readily available folding stock. it'll take some trial and error with stocks for other shotguns. It will also require some US parts if you go that route. once again, none available. #2 isn't a big deal since i do that with any new gun. #3 will be a challenge, but with time it will be overcome. For $100, you'd be hard pressed to find a shotgun with as much potential. Caspian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
krom32117 0 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Caspian, what's the availability of extra mags for the SAS-12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caspian 32 Posted February 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 SOG has them for $10.95. They're 3 rounders that can be made to fit 4 rounds easily. caspian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zipgun 0 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Dunhams has those shotguns for around $120. Which may be about what you pay with shipping and a transfer fee. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Full Metal Jacket 0 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 My SAS 12 arrived yesterday. Total with shipping and transfer was $140. I cut the barrel down to 19" and polished the chamber with my Dremel. No chrome lining on this barrel .Mags are easier to load than my Saiga. The mag release is still a little stiff and it takes a little effort to insert the mag, but still easy. I bought it because of the post that Tromix (Tony) made. The gun definately has potential. I am pleased with mine. I agree with Caspian and Tony. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tokageko 8 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 You know, the first time I saw those in shotgun news, I was very interested. I just never put any time/energy into finding one. I believe I did in fact see one at the local Dunhams for a similar price to what was mentioned earlier. I also saw a few at the last gunshow I was at... for $300!! WTF? Anyway, thanks for the info, I'm going to be looking into this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MadDog 3 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 How about a pic? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emr454 1 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 (edited) SOG isnt advertising them on their website where else could one find this SAS-12 shotgun? Thanks. Eric EDIT: I found one at an auction site but then quickly realized I'm broke an couldn't afford one anyways. Damn... Edited February 8, 2005 by emr454 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emr454 1 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 When cutting down a shotgun barrel, there's no need to re-crown it or the like? You just need to make sure the cut is straight and flush I assume. Thanks. Eric Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tokageko 8 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 As far as I know, the crown on a shotgun barrel isn't as critical as that on a rifle. Still, I would suggestmaking sure that there is no metal from the crown obstructing the bore. By that I mean anything sticking into the bore, that would catch on your projectiles as they leave the barrel. It doesn't need to feel as smooth as glass, but it's probably a good idea to polish the rough edges. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Full Metal Jacket 0 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 The SAS barrel came with absolutely no crown , so it was easy to do a better job of smoothing out the cut barrel than what was done by the Chinese. The gun is a little on the rough side but with a little TLC it can be pretty nice. I'll try to post some pics later today. Oh, almost forgot , the bolt stays open on the last shot due to the magazine follower. But there is no manual bolt hold open. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emr454 1 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Where can you find the stronger extractor spring that was mentioned before? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caspian 32 Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 i cut the barrel down to 18.5" and it cycles fine w/o modification to the gas system. The only weird thing that happens is that i have to use high brass shells. If i use low brass, the plastic hull gets stuck in the chamber and the brass section jams the gun. This hapened on 2 or 3 different low brass brands i tried. Function with high brass was flawless. i don't need to mess with the gas system or extractor. also, with slight modification, you can use a Remington 1100 tactical charging handle as a replacement for the crappy aluminum stock one. It can easily be fitted with a Mossberg folding stock with the addition of a threaded adaptor. To do this legally, you'd have to fabricate some US made parts. That's not too big of a problem once you see how simple everything is. US parts could include hammer, trigger, floorplate, follower, charging handle, etc. I am going to mock up some double mags with JB Weld just to see if the gun will cycle and function with it. If it works, then i'll have some double mags welded up. Later caspian p.s. don't be discouraged by the rough feeling of the action. a good scrubbing when you first buy it then fire about 20 shotshells through it. it's smooth up quickly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 I just used a cut down ejector spring from an AR-15. I had to drill out the spring bore in the SAS-12 a hair, but no big deal. I opened the ports a bit and the thing runs all shells just fine. I'll try and get some extra mags and weld a couple together. It shouldn't be a big deal. Tony Rumore Tromix Corp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Full Metal Jacket 0 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Hey Caspian, Where did you get the Remington charging handle? I ordered 3 mags today. The mag spring is almost identical to an AK mag spring. I think this could be used with two or more of the SAS mags welded together to increase capacity nicely. I was thinking of using one of the ATI folding stocks for a Mossberg. Judging by pictures the Mossberg seemed to be the most compatible. Let me know how your mock up mags work. Man it sure would be nice to have metal Saiga 12 mags. Randy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 I just called SOG and the lady there didn't even know what a SAS-12 shotgun was, let alone if they had any magazines. WTF? Who did you talk to at SOG to order SAS-12 mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Full Metal Jacket 0 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Tony, I talked to an older lady this morning and ordered my mags fro SOG. $10.95 each. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caspian 32 Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 the 1100 charging handle is available from Brownells for around $9. a Mossberg or Remmy 870 folding stock will work, but you'll have to make an adaptor to go from the large thread of the SAS 12 to the smaller Remington or Mossberg bolt. Tony, do you think you could lathe a few of those out? I could use one if you do. Are the ATI stocks any good? the price is attractive, but i don't like to have to buy stuff twice. However, i also don't like spending as much on a folder as i do on the gun. So a cheapo stock would be nice if it's sturdy. Caspian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Full Metal Jacket 0 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Caspian, I'm not sure about the quality of the ATI stuff. I may try one here soon. I ordered a Choate pistol grip stock for a Remington 1100 that should arrive next week. I'll probably have to mod it. I got a good deal on it at Ebay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stickfigure 0 Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 What's SOG's website? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Full Metal Jacket 0 Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 www.southernohiogun.com The mags were not listed on their site I had to call them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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