jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Watch the rest of the stuff as well. The thing that has me kicking my own butt is the bayonets. The had brand new Gen 3 Bulgarian bayonets for 39.95 a few days ago and I thought about ordering one for each of my AK's that has the lug. I screwed around and they are now $59.95! I ordered one folding stock and hardware set which included everything for $164.99 ( http://www.k-var.com/shop/search.php?mode=search ) now they are out of stock and the other available option is $260.00. If you see a good deal I suggest you squeeze the sphincter and get it. Just got back from shooting with a buddy who bought one of the $499.00 SGL21's and he was getting 1 1/2" groups easy at 50 yards (with the crappy iron sights). He hasn't shot a rifle since he was in service and is now 60 yrs. old. Needless to say he was ecstatic. You see it, you like it, figure out a way to get it. I sure hope that folks are right and another big sale comes at Christmas but I kind of doubt it watching the FOREX exchange rates and the price of gold. You pays your money and your takes your chances. 1911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Watch the rest of the stuff as well. The thing that has me kicking my own butt is the bayonets. The had brand new Gen 3 Bulgarian bayonets for 39.95 a few days ago and I thought about ordering one for each of my AK's that has the lug. I screwed around and they are now $59.95! I ordered one folding stock and hardware set which included everything for $164.99 ( http://www.k-var.com/shop/search.php?mode=search ) now they are out of stock and the other available option is $260.00. If you see a good deal I suggest you squeeze the sphincter and get it. Just got back from shooting with a buddy who bought one of the $499.00 SGL21's and he was getting 1 1/2" groups easy at 50 yards (with the crappy iron sights). He hasn't shot a rifle since he was in service and is now 60 yrs. old. Needless to say he was ecstatic. You see it, you like it, figure out a way to get it. I sure hope that folks are right and another big sale comes at Christmas but I kind of doubt it watching the FOREX exchange rates and the price of gold. You pays your money and your takes your chances. 1911 Yeah, I noticed that on the bayonets also. I should have bought one in the last week, but oh well. A bayonet sale is not as significant as a rifle sale. I did get in on that; I bought a plum SGL21, (easily capable of 1" - 1 1/2" @50 yrd groups using irons), for ~$505. Both your friend and I also have the approprate lugs on our rifles to attach a Russian underbarrel grenade launcher, should the opportunity ever present itself. Edited November 17, 2009 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cbang 0 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 For all practical defensive needs, I dont think there is any other rifle that is as good as the AK. However, unless there is a bill that is in congress that may past or not past. Or there is a complete ban, AK's should never be anywere over 500 hundred dollars. 500 and up is just marketing bullshit and if people were to think rationaly they would realize that any price over 500 hundred is just too dam expensive. AKs are the predominate rifle all over the world and thats because they are cheap, avalible and reliable. A 3rd world man or an american gangbanger's cheap AK will kill you just as quick as a 500+ one will. So, with that said the prices of the last few weeks was fair because of the quality vs the the other brands but anything higher is a rip-off so, please be rational Ak fans and make these companies lower there prices again by not buying expensive Aks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 500 is still cheap for a military grade semi automatic rifle.. in fact, it's still cheaper then anything else.. Maybe it's expensive for a wasr but for a good quality ak-47 or a good quality semi auto rifle for that matter, it's a great price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevins7189 1 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) i have a old wasr now i've loved for years, always been reliable and rounds go in and rounds go out. I've upgraded it, downgraded it, wrenched on it getting the muzzle nut off and putting a standard 45 deg comp on, threaded, etc, never let me down so far. Through reading much discussion here bit the bullet and got myself one of these. I hope they are all they are cracked up to be and I don't suffer any buyers remorse Edited November 17, 2009 by kevins7189 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CPE1704TKS 24 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 500 is still cheap for a military grade semi automatic rifle.. in fact, it's still cheaper then anything else.. Maybe it's expensive for a wasr but for a good quality ak-47 or a good quality semi auto rifle for that matter, it's a great price. For a comparative pricing - http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/56988 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 500 is still cheap for a military grade semi automatic rifle.. in fact, it's still cheaper then anything else.. Maybe it's expensive for a wasr but for a good quality ak-47 or a good quality semi auto rifle for that matter, it's a great price. For a comparative pricing - http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/56988 responded to your PM but for clarification I'll post in this topic too. - yes there are cheaper AKs around, lots in fact.. I was saying that a quality AK for 500 is still a good deal in my book in comparison to the other military rifles that are available (IE m16/galil/sig).. There simply are very few guns in the 500 dollar range that are the same quality as the AK.. Again, more of an AK vs other guns comparison than AK vs AK was what I was getting at. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iyaoyas98 6 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 I got my plum SGL21 in on Wed. Its definitely worth every penny. Fit and finish is what US buyers are used to, meaning someone with opposable thumbs put it together. I'm happy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I wanted to let ya'll know that my problems were resolved. If you look back at page 5 of this thread you'll see that the SGL21 that I bought from K-VAR had a canted front gas block (left) and a canted front sight (right). I sent it back (at my expense) to Arsenal. Well, it has returned from it's repair trip and it looks like they took care of all the issues. I hope to get our tomorrow and test it out. They did send a test target to show that they test fired it again at the factory. Overall I'm pretty happy with their return/repair. I mean, they should have saved me the $18 in shipping it back to them but in the end they fixed all said problems in a timely manner. I think it was something like 2.5-3 weeks door to door. Most of that time it was probably in the carrier's hands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Also, these are up to $629 now at K-VAR. Glad I jumped when I did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rolncor 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 You know, I came close to listing my restored 7.62x39 Saiga on Gunbroker to get a $505 Arsenal Plum. I took it out of the safe, though, and changed my mind. As I looked at it, I got the feeling that I created it, almost as if I totally built it up myself. All the touches and finish that I put there, it might as well have been a build, since I took the Saiga Barrel and receiver, and built the rest up. Then there is the accuracy: Its Izhmash hammer forged barrel gave 86mm at 100 meters before the restoral, and will do about 2 MOA now from a rest. I know this is dead on where I want it, the trigger pull a tad over 2 lbs. The RAM 2000 speed catch, and even my modified Saiga mag that takes 15 rounds. Also, I know it is absolutely, 100% reliable. Look at this. It is like my child, almost. The ARsenal only has a bayonet lug and underbarrel cleaning rod that mine doesn't. Maybe some day I will change that if I feel a need to mount a bayonet. AK noob here... Got the Arsenal SGL-21 about a month ago and enjoying it very much. I'd LOVE to learn how to convert a mag to get 15 rounds though, the max allowed in New Jermany... Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Digger44 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 (edited) I have never tried this on an AK mag, but it has worked in other mags. Get a hungarian 20 rounder, and put a dowel in between the floor plate and the follower so it will only load 15. It would sit in the middle of the spring. Obviously you would need to figure out the length of the dowel, but thats just trial and error. I did this on my AR for hunting since we in NH can only have 5 rounds in the mag. Edited December 26, 2009 by Digger44 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave 1 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Hey guys, what's the difference between the SGL-20s and 21s? Is it just the year they were manufactured? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted December 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Hey guys, what's the difference between the SGL-20s and 21s? Is it just the year they were manufactured? The 20's lack an accessory lug. They also lack several Russian components such as the FSB (the 20 uses a Bulgarian). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrutalGardener 205 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Hey guys, what's the difference between the SGL-20s and 21s? Is it just the year they were manufactured? The 20's lack an accessory lug. They also lack several Russian components such as the FSB (the 20 uses a Bulgarian). I don't know whether this is typical or not, but my SGL20 has a worse finish (post-pocalyptic backs me up on that), came with the very loose safety lever and a nasty gap between the closed safety and the dust cover. The dust covers are also different, with the one on SGL21 having an extra "ridge" on the bottom and fitting better and tighter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave 1 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Thanks for the info, guys. Pissed at myself for sleeping on the 21s while they were cheap. Just noticed yesterday that the 20s are on sale but I'll probably pass. Looks like I'm doin the conversion myself... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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