Russian Army Members trample and

[BrutalGardener 205]

Maybe these kontraktniki were a little pissed off at the last US Administration, due to the fact that it propped up Wacko "Single Digits Approval Ratings" Suckoshvilli to power and trained and equipped his troops, enabling the insane delusion that he could actually get away with cowardly sneak-attacking a city full of civilians loyal to Russia and a garrison of Russian peace-keepers, killing a good number of them, under the cover of the opening day of the Summer Olympic Games. Perhaps, some of their buddies were killed in the conflict. Still, videotaping themselves acting like bydlo and burning the American flag while being obviously intoxicated in a combat zone is really lame.

 

Wacko Suckoshvilli started that whole mess against the advice and better judgment of US advisors and officials, forfeiting his right to "run crying back to daddy" after he got his ass kicked.

 

 

Pat Buchanan wrote some great articles on the topic of Russia vs Georgia and why we should stay out of it:

 

http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=12612

http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=13323

http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan93.html

Edited June 3, 2010 by SpetsnazGRU

[Heath_h49008 442]

Putin wants Ukraine back. He has to go through Georgia to get it.

 

He has made himself ruler for life with his rewriting of the Russian Government, and he has jailed his opponents. (Like the head of Yukos Khodorkovsky)

 

He is putting the old CCCP back together...or at least trying like hell.

[BrutalGardener 205]

Putin wants Ukraine back. He has to go through Georgia to get it.

 

He has made himself ruler for life with his rewriting of the Russian Government, and he has jailed his opponents. (Like the head of Yukos Khodorkovsky)

 

He is putting the old CCCP back together...or at least trying like hell.

 

Uh... You must have missed the last Ukrainian elections and the aftermath. The hugely unpopular, rabidly nationalist, anti-Russian government is gone. Now, Ukraine is a good friend to both Russia and the US. The same thing is going to happen in Georgia, when Suckoshvilli will be up for re-election. Still, the USSR is never coming back (definitely not under Socialism or Russian domination); even the long-planned Union of Russia and Belarus, never quite worked out.

 

Mikhail Khodorkovsky was politically aligned against Putin (even involved in planning his violent overthrow), but he was also a piece-of-shit, mobster oligarch, who did break plenty of Russian laws during his rise to the top, including ordering several murders. He definitely deserves to rot in Gulag.

[crackback 135]

Putin wants Ukraine back. He has to go through Georgia to get it.

 

He has made himself ruler for life with his rewriting of the Russian Government, and he has jailed his opponents. (Like the head of Yukos Khodorkovsky)

 

He is putting the old CCCP back together...or at least trying like hell.

 

Uh... You must have missed the last Ukrainian elections and the aftermath. The hugely unpopular, rabidly nationalist, anti-Russian government is gone. Now, Ukraine is a good friend to both Russia and the US. The same thing is going to happen in Georgia, when Suckoshvilli will be up for re-election. Still, the USSR is never coming back (definitely not under Socialism or Russian domination); even the long-planned Union of Russia and Belarus, never quite worked out.

 

Mikhail Khodorkovsky was politically aligned against Putin (even involved in planning his violent overthrow), but he was also a piece-of-shit, mobster oligarch, who did break plenty of Russian laws during his rise to the top, including ordering several murders. He definitely deserves to rot in Gulag.

 

I agree with Buchanan that we should stay out of Russia's "internal" affairs i.e Georgia. Actually, I think we should ally with Russia against our common enemy, islamofascist terrorism. I say give Russia a complete free hand in Chechnya.

[Heath_h49008 442]

What bothers me about Putin, and the rest of the ruling class in Russia, is they are the same thugs and crooks who ran the CCCP.

 

The Russian people never really had a chance at real freedom. They just went from ineffective Socialism without property rights, to a cleptocracy of the same gangsters and NKVD butchers who were no better than the Tzars when it came to actually giving a crap about the people. The people were not given a share in what they built.

 

Putin is a dictator, the Russian people understand him. At least with that they can feel some nationalistic pride. But when have dictators ever been good for anyone but themselves?

 

As for Chechnya, Russia feeds Iran and Syria to piss off the US... But Iran gives the weapons and support right back to Chechens to butcher Russian kids.

 

If Putin wants to protect his people, he should stop funing the ones killing them.

Edited June 3, 2010 by Heath_h49008

[BrutalGardener 205]

What bothers me about Putin, and the rest of the ruling class in Russia, is they are the same thugs and crooks who ran the CCCP.

 

The Russian people never really had a chance at real freedom. They just went from ineffective Socialism without property rights, to a cleptocracy of the same gangsters and NKVD butchers who were no better than the Tzars when it came to actually giving a crap about the people. The people were not given a share in what they built.

 

Putin is a dictator, the Russian people understand him. At least with that they can feel some nationalistic pride. But when have dictators ever been good for anyone but themselves?

 

As for Chechnya, Russia feeds Iran and Syria to piss off the US... But Iran gives the weapons and support right back to Chechens to butcher Russian kids.

 

If Putin wants to protect his people, he should stop funing the ones killing them.

 

Putin is a pretty young guy and he never quite had a chance to be part of the "old guard". By the time that he joined KGB, it was a reformed organization. At that time, they were recruiting the best and brightest, instead of the most politically loyal. Besides, he was in the foreign intelligence wing of KGB. There is no evidence that he was ever involved in any kind of domestic repressions.

 

Yes, he does run the country like a mafia don. I don't really know any Russians (myself included) who have a lot of love for him, but they do prefer him to the drunken incompetence, poverty and instability of the Yeltsin era and to most of his political opponents, which include Communists and various ultra-nationalist. People vote for Putin, because at least he represents some certainty and stability.

 

Also, Russian Federation is not even close to the kind of dictatorship that the USSR was. I mean, I can actually compare, because I have lived in both. For example, people are completely free to travel. There is no iron certain. There are cases of individual repression and persecution, but it's not institutionalized on a mass scale, like it was in the USSR. The Internet doesn't get censored like it is in China, there is no death penalty, etc. The country is authoritarian and could be a lot freer, but it's not exactly what I would define as a "dictatorship".

 

As far as I am aware, Russia only sells Iran area defense SA weapon systems, designed to protect the industrial objects being built by Russian companies from Israeli air-strikes, which don't really have any offensive use. You are probably right about them partly doing this, as well as being buddies with Chavez, in order to piss off the US, as payback for stuff like bombing Serbia, giving them shit about Chechnya, supporting Yuschenko and Saakashvilli, planning to put missile defense systems on Russia's borders, etc. Things did get a bit hostile during the past few years and I really hated seeing that.

 

By the way, following the events of 9/11, Russia was one of the first countries to offer its full co-operation. They shared all the Afghan/Taliban related intelligence they had and spent quite a bit of money providing weapons, vehicles and training to the Northern Alliance (the guys that we used as ground troops in driving out the Talibs in 2001).

 

Any way, I have relatives in Russia, Ukraine and the US and I want all of us to just to get along. As people, we have a lot more in common than not and when Russians and Americans meet and socialize, they typically get along just great.

[Heath_h49008 442]

I'm just very concerned Putin is following an old pattern.

 

I like the Russian people... in fact, as the net and trade expands, it won't be possible for leaders to convince the population of any country that his enemies are all "evil and need to be destroyed".

 

Our bombings in Serbia was a mistake. I actually went to high school with the son of a Serbian diplomat. It didn't take much looking to see the muslims set up and fire motors inside a "Safe Haven" to get the Serbs to level it. Then it played in the press like the Serbs were just butchering refugees.

 

We never should have gotten involved. I still wonder why we did. Although I do love my XD45 Tactical... Made in Croatia. it could have been handled differently.

 

It kind of surprises me Putin is trying to make friends with Thugs like Chavez and Akmedinazad. People like that are as dangerous to his people and business as they are to us.

 

I hope Russia and the US end up being more like England or Japan and the US, old enemies, but we know we can trust each other. We'll see.

[Paulyski 2,227]

Now, Ukraine is a good friend to both Russia and the US. The same thing is going to happen in Georgia, when Suckoshvilli will be up for re-election.

Maybe Poland will be more complacent now too, since Russia whacked their entire government with the airline "accident".

[BrutalGardener 205]

Now, Ukraine is a good friend to both Russia and the US. The same thing is going to happen in Georgia, when Suckoshvilli will be up for re-election.

Maybe Poland will be more complacent now too, since Russia whacked their entire government with the airline "accident".

 

They already are. They had troops marching in the Moscow Victory Day Parade this year. This would have been unthinkable just a year ago. I hope that you are kidding about the "whacking" though. As far as I am aware, the investigation has been very transparent, there is plenty of evidence and no one with any credibility is throwing accusations.

Edited June 4, 2010 by SpetsnazGRU