paprotective 362 Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 (edited) So we have the Saiga 308 21" rifle with DPMS AR10 Muzzle Brake.. with 3-9x40 Bushnell BDC scope.. 100 Yard Targets. (video of shooting to follow shortly eating lunch).. Front Caldwell Bag/Rest only.. Tula 150gr FMJ, Federal AE 168gr OTM M1A Match ammo, & Winchester 150gr Power-Point ammo. 4 Shots per 'Volley'.. see note on Fed in 2nd set... Volley #1 Tula.. shooting VERY low and RIGHT.. I adjusted after this set... Fed Win PP Volley #2 Tula During the fire of the Fed AE 168 OTM.. I thought I blew it so I fired 2 more rounds.. I don't know which shots are which other then the FAR LEFT shot was the one that I PUSHED on when I started the set.. that much I know.. Fed Win PP Definately 1.5 - 2MOA do-able with ammo and patience.. when you see and hear the video you will know I have NONE.. Al Edited October 3, 2010 by YWHIC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mlmartis 7 Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Not bad..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted October 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 (edited) Volley #1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0-PlWzk1Ww Edited October 2, 2010 by YWHIC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted October 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Video and Volley #2.. Jumps a little toward the end.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CODkorlIITo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted October 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 (edited) Here is the NEF/H&R 21 1/2" shotgun w/Hogue Tamer PG/Forend pics at 25 yards with both 00B and 7 1/2 shot loads.. Edited October 3, 2010 by YWHIC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted October 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 (edited) Here is another 5 shot group of the Tula 150gr FMJ at 100 yards (set #3).. The squares on the targets are 1/2 inch... The smallest group is 1 7/8" high by 1 1/4" wide with the Winchester PP 150gr in #2 set.. The Federal 168gr OTM #2 set while having 4 shots in only 1 3/8" high by 3/4" wide group the flyer to the right pulled it to 2 7/16" wide. (not counting the 1st shot PUSH to the left.. ) The Tula 150gr FMJ did a square 2 1/2" by 2 1/4" in set #2 also.. set #1 was smaller but I didn't measure.. I think the Winchester 150gr PP is the CHEAP ($18) way to get good groups thus far.. Followed by the Fed AE 168OTM ($22-24) and then Hornady 168gr A-Max ($24-32).. Set #1 of the Tula and Set #3 (5 shot group) were very good.. set #2 kinda sucked.. but at $5/box.. In set #1 for each pic the circle has 1/2" rings.. just an FYI on that. Enjoy... comments..??. Albert Edited October 3, 2010 by YWHIC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Very impressive! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted October 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) Thanks CK.. Came out pretty well overall.. this shows what a 4 shot group at 100 yards with a 308 Saiga from a simple bag rest can do.. I just shoot and post pictures.. Is it 1 MOA... nope.. is it under 2MOA.. IMHO yes.. in the right hands for under 5 shots.. if you let it cool you can probably get more out of it. You can see in the videos once I get rolling with the shots after the 1st volley, I don't wait 30 seconds between shots.. and I didn't really wait 3 minutes between ammo changes either.. If I were 'sniping' with this the first shot I know would be on the . Firefights are won with sheer firepower.. (old Nam vet told me that). Still have some rounds left for 2 weeks from now to go and do this again.. it was a FUN day also with the Shotty'... Al Edited October 3, 2010 by YWHIC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted October 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) Thanks for the PM's folks. Forgot to mention the temp was like 65 with 8-10 mph winds.. this was at 11am - 12pm yesterday. Shots were done 4 rounds in 10-12 seconds.. so yes.. no waiting for me.. Next set of target(s) for re-testing... in a few weeks.. top left for setting up and verification of zero shots. Questions?? Comments??? Al Edited October 3, 2010 by YWHIC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted October 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) Here is me setting up the right to left adjustment from yesterday when I realized I was low and right.. This was shot at the same pace as all the sets/volleys.. Here is 2 more targets for next outing.. Right one (with 2 targets) is for 200 yards.. left one is undetermined as of this point.. (crappy cell pic) Questions?? Comments?? Suggestions?? (besides SLOW down) Al Edited October 3, 2010 by YWHIC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cw3sting 12 Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Great shooting Al. One thing I would recommend though. With rapid fire, you still need to know where the rounds will go with barrel heating. Try this technique. Have two targets; one for rapid fire and a control target. With a cold barrel, fire at least one round at the control target and mark the hit in your notebook. Then, do your quick fire shooting at the other target, saving one or two rounds to fire at the control target. Mark those hits as well. Back in the old days with my Mini-14, I used this technique to be able to stay on target no matter how many rounds I fired and how fast. And, that sucker would string up and right badly with a hot barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Great vid. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Great shooting Al. One thing I would recommend though. With rapid fire, you still need to know where the rounds will go with barrel heating. Try this technique. Have two targets; one for rapid fire and a control target. With a cold barrel, fire at least one round at the control target and mark the hit in your notebook. Then, do your quick fire shooting at the other target, saving one or two rounds to fire at the control target. Mark those hits as well. Back in the old days with my Mini-14, I used this technique to be able to stay on target no matter how many rounds I fired and how fast. And, that sucker would string up and right badly with a hot barrel. Now that is an excellent idea since each rifle will be a bit different. Up and right sounds about like mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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