Saiga12Monster11 0 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I had the chance to buy a Saiga-12. The guy on the phone said that it was a Saiga-12 that was MADE and IMPORTED by Legion (NOT Russian American Armory and Izhmash). What is the difference? Is the Saiga-12 made by more than one firm? Is it less valuable, wanted, and reliable? Who should I buy from? I'm a Newbie and want a Saiga-12 NIB from Izhmash! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Guy on the phone is wrong. Legion is a branch of Izhmash. Apparently they make the "higher end" products from Izhmash. That said, I have heard that almost all newly imported Saiga's, be them rifles or shotguns, are marked Legion. The gun itself was probably imported by Mercury Hermes in Louisville, KY. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Guy on the phone is wrong. Legion is a branch of Izhmash. Apparently they make the "higher end" products from Izhmash. That said, I have heard that almost all newly imported Saiga's, be them rifles or shotguns, are marked Legion. The gun itself was probably imported by Mercury Hermes in Louisville, KY. That about sums it up right there. Z Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) I have a MADE IN RUSSIA BY IZHMASH ARSENAL LAS VEGAS NV USA LEGION IZHEVSK Edited March 11, 2011 by beefcakeb0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga12Monster11 0 Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 So Legion is a "division" (??) of Izhmash....ok will the Legion still have the Izhmash logo stamped on the gun with the MADE IN RUSSIA? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 It will still have the izzy logo(triangle with arrow in it) And yes made in rusia at the same plant/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Izhmash's Legion website. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raleighsaiga 81 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Legion is a branch of Izhmash. Apparently they make the "higher end" products from Izhmash. My 109BHO seems to support this. It is a three hole gun that cycled bulk pack from the stock mag straight out of the box. Fit and finish is great, and the internals took only minimal shaping and polishing to feel as good as my professionally converted gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nattyiceking 33 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 If it was imported by Mercury Hermes that means the right side of your receiver will have a laser-etched square mark in place of the old RAA marking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Blasco 1 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) I had the chance to buy a Saiga-12. The guy on the phone said that it was a Saiga-12 that was MADE and IMPORTED by Legion (NOT Russian American Armory and Izhmash). What is the difference? Is the Saiga-12 made by more than one firm? Is it less valuable, wanted, and reliable? Who should I buy from? I'm a Newbie and want a Saiga-12 NIB from Izhmash! Legion is an affiliate firm of Izmash in other words a company owned by Izmash. The guns from Legion had a better finish, wooden parts,sometimes engravings and gold inlays but that applies mainly to pistols. Legion was offering a lot of those in decorative cases as a gift. All this was targeting the high class Russian civilian market that's why rifles were always semi and pistols deact(illegal to own legally a pistol in commie Russia). If somebody didn't mind waiting, one could actually order the gun directly from Legion according to his specifications, barrel length, type of pistol grip,type of furniture etc. Rifles and shotguns were Izmash production, pistols were old Soviet Makarovs that were refurbished by Izmash to turn into toys, don't remember Nagants although Izmash was selling a lot of those modified to fire rubber bullets . Not sure what Legion is selling these days. My 2c Edited March 11, 2011 by Joe Blasco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga12Monster11 0 Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 So everyone recommends I get one from Legion for cheaper then the RAA for a little more?...because they are basically the same thing. with the possiblity that Legion has better QC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 FWIW, I have not been hearing about many "vodka specials" late;y from the Legion S12...and mine runs everything I can feed it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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