letter to my congressman

[timy 1,185]

I would avoid the terms "this country is doomed!" kinda makes you seem like a tin foil hatter....

 

It would also be more persuasive to cite other examples of shotguns that are being denied for importation...

 

...I read somewhere that importers of Benelli M4s cant their paper work approved.

 

Good catch on the "doomed". I actually was going to suggest something different be used but got in a hurry and forgot.

 

It would be alright to mention the Benelli I suppose, as long as you're 100% sure that it is facing the same problem. I just Googled it and didn't see anything. Then again, nothing wrong with staying focused on Saigas either.

 

 

thanks for the edits, and timy, you had a lot of good ones (including where i accidentally typed something twice) but i left the BATFE abbreviations alone because im not sure if you cut out the explosives part of their name. as far as the benelli m4's go, i heard the same thing, but i dont have any real info. maybe ill do some research. Dear Rep. Walberg,

 

I am writing you concerning a recent study by the BATFE, regarding the "Importability of Certain Shotguns". It is a study that affects various shotguns that have certain features the BATFE has determined "Non-sporting", and although no ruling has been made, some businesses are experiencing problems with shotgun importation. Take the Saiga-12 for example, a Russian-made, magazine-fed shotgun. As imported, it meets all of the study's criteria to be legally imported; yet, strangely, the importers of the Saiga-12 cannot currently get importation papers approved.

There are several businesses based primarily on the Saiga-12, and the end of its importation may also mark the end for these businesses and the jobs they sustain. I participate in an online community centered around this shotgun (www.forum.saiga-12.com), and many importers there have reported problems with importation. It seems to me, the BATFE is taking action without having announced a ruling, and has been allowed to write law by changing its internal policy. This is unacceptable, and as a voter in your district, I implore you to do the right thing regarding the BATFE's unconstitutional, anti gun agenda regarding the importation of shotguns. Please help your constituents retain their freedom to own firearms for recreational purposes, and to defend themselves and this great nation from enemies foreign and DOMESTIC! Please, be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Thank you for your time.

http://www.atf.gov/p...in-shotguns. pdf

 

Thank you. Just trying to help. I'm of the opinion BATFE is a little cluttered is all. I always hear them called ATF or BATF. Even the header on their own sight is ATF.

 

You've still got your fonts mixed. Make sure you get all your type the same before sending anything. I underlined the smaller text.

 

Kudos for doing this in the first place.

Tim

[yooper14.5 84]

Thanks for the kudos lol. I see now where the fonts are screwed up, its wierd because i clicked that stuff than clicked the other font and it said it was all the same size. Im going to stick with BATFE because its the complete official name. I agree ATF is easier but using BATFE makes it sound better. I think ill avoid the benelli, as i have a lot less info on it. Ill try to get the fonts right tommorow. If the forum software continues to tell me its the same ill copy and paste it into a word program, equalize the sizes, the copy and paste it back. Thanks for the help.

[timy 1,185]

I wrote one recently about this too. Here's mine:

 

It has come to my recent attention that the BATFE has started a study

concerning Saiga shotguns. The study is based on the fact that these seem

to have no "sporting" use. The 2nd amendment was put in place for us

(American citizens) to protect our selves and our country. Now it seems

that we are going to only allowed to bear sporting (fire)arms for what

ever reason they have deemed. You may not share the same views I have

about gun legislation but I ask you to help me as my voice in government

to stop the importation/outright ban they plan to impose. There are

already many restrictions on our rights (many I support including the 1934

act) but it is ridiculous that our government continues to restrict us and

devalue our god given rights. Thank you for reading this, I will still

support you no matter your decision in this matter.

 

Good that you you took the time and effort but personally I would never use a phrase such as " I will still

support you no matter your decision in this matter." If that's the case, politicians feel they have a captive voter base and can do whatever they please. I'm of the opinion that a lot of the "Lifers" both Democrat and Republican need voted out. They have become far too complacent with the status quo.

 

 

Thanks for the kudos lol. I see now where the fonts are screwed up, its wierd because i clicked that stuff than clicked the other font and it said it was all the same size. Im going to stick with BATFE because its the complete official name. I agree ATF is easier but using BATFE makes it sound better. I think ill avoid the benelli, as i have a lot less info on it. Ill try to get the fonts right tommorow. If the forum software continues to tell me its the same ill copy and paste it into a word program, equalize the sizes, the copy and paste it back. Thanks for the help.

 

Your choice on labels, for sure.

 

BTW, it sometimes does help to contact congressmen. My son was four months past his release date from the Marines with his case languishing in limbo due to medical board issues until we contacted the local congressman. Things started to magically fall into place almost immediately. Within three weeks of the Congressional Inquiry starting, he is now out of the Marines.

[yooper14.5 84]

Dear Representative Walberg,

I am writing you concerning a recent study by the BATFE, regarding the "Importability of Certain Shotguns". It is a study that affects various shotguns that have certain features the BATFE has determined "Non-sporting", and although no ruling has been made, some businesses are experiencing problems with shotgun importation. Take the Saiga-12 for example, a Russian-made, magazine-fed shotgun. As imported, it meets all of the study's criteria to be legally imported; yet, strangely, the importers of the Saiga-12 cannot currently get importation papers approved.

There are several businesses based primarily on the Saiga-12, and the end of its importation may also mark the end for these businesses and the jobs they sustain. I participate in an online community centered around this shotgun (www.forum.saiga-12.com), and many importers there have reported problems with importation. It seems to me, the BATFE is taking action without having announced a ruling, and has been allowed to write law by changing its internal policy. This is unacceptable, and as a voter in your district, I implore you to do the right thing regarding the BATFE's unconstitutional, anti gun agenda regarding the importation of shotguns. Please help your constituents retain their freedom to own firearms for recreational purposes, and to defend themselves and this great nation from enemies foreign and DOMESTIC! Please, be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Thank you for your time.

 

http://www.atf.gov/p...in-shotguns.pdf

ok it should all be the same size now. well see when i post this lol. im glad your son was able to get out, and that your congressman took the time to do somthing. its funny how much they can do when they actually try.

Edited April 15, 2011 by yooper14.5

[timy 1,185]

Dear Representative Walberg,

I am writing you concerning a recent study by the BATFE, regarding the "Importability of Certain Shotguns". It is a study that affects various shotguns that have certain features the BATFE has determined "Non-sporting", and although no ruling has been made, some businesses are experiencing problems with shotgun importation. Take the Saiga-12 for example, a Russian-made, magazine-fed shotgun. As imported, it meets all of the study's criteria to be legally imported; yet, strangely, the importers of the Saiga-12 cannot currently get importation papers approved.

There are several businesses based primarily on the Saiga-12, and the end of its importation may also mark the end for these businesses and the jobs they sustain. I participate in an online community centered around this shotgun (www.forum.saiga-12.com), and many importers there have reported problems with importation. It seems to me, the BATFE is taking action without having announced a ruling, and has been allowed to write law by changing its internal policy. This is unacceptable, and as a voter in your district, I implore you to do the right thing regarding the BATFE's unconstitutional, anti gun agenda regarding the importation of shotguns. Please help your constituents retain their freedom to own firearms for recreational purposes, and to defend themselves and this great nation from enemies foreign and DOMESTIC! Please, be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Thank you for your time.

 

http://www.atf.gov/p...in-shotguns.pdf

ok it should all be the same size now. well see when i post this lol. im glad your son was able to get out, and that your congressman took the time to do somthing. its funny how much they can do when they actually try.

 

Thanks.

 

Looks good to me. Fire at will. (Don't put that in there.)

[tcloutier 0]

I wanted to thank you for putting together this letter. I have used it to contact Peter DeFazio my Rep. in OR. It will be interesting to see how he responds

 

 

[mpoppel41 24]

well i sent my letter in apparently no one read it ,cause i got a debt limit response. are you kidding me. i will shootoff another one too see what respnce i get this time.

[yooper14.5 84]

I wanted to thank you for putting together this letter. I have used it to contact Peter DeFazio my Rep. in OR. It will be interesting to see how he responds

 

your welcome. thats why i posted and edited it. im actually suprised this topic has had the success its had.

 

well i sent my letter in apparently no one read it ,cause i got a debt limit response. are you kidding me. i will shootoff another one too see what respnce i get this time.

 

i never got a response either, so im going to send another one too. if i send enough eventually ill get a response.

 

 

 

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

Damn... How many revisions do ya'll need J/K

 

 

 

I received a reply from my Congress Critter.

I always receive responses from Alabama's leadership, so much unlike my experiences with Californian politicians.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

April 14, 2011

 

 

 

 

 

Mr. xxxxxxxxxx

 

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

Mobile, AL 36693-4352

 

 

 

Dear Mr. xxxxx

 

 

 

Thank you for contacting me regarding activities of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE).

 

 

 

I understand and share your concern with many of the activities of BATFE. The natural tendency of bureaucracies is to expand their scope of operations, both as a form of self preservation and as an expression of institutional inertia. This tendency is particularly dangerous when it comes to the arena of firearms, because of the dangers of tampering with our Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

 

 

 

Some have called for an investigation into BATFE by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee; I would welcome such an investigation. Others have called for an elimination of the bureau entirely; while I think this is probably a step too far, I do think a serious and fiscally responsible review of the bureau's activities is in order.

 

 

 

I will remember your thoughts as the 112th Congress considers legislation related to BATFE's statutory authority. Thank you again for your interest. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have concerns about this or any other issue. With kind regards, I am

 

 

 

 

 

Sincerely,

Jo Bonner

Member of Congress

Edited April 14, 2011 by ChileRelleno

[yooper14.5 84]

awesome. its nice that at least one politician has bothered to reply.

[poolingmyignorance 2,191]

I'm not good with words, but thanks to your copy and paste letter, i don't have to get pissed off as i'm typing. thanks

 

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I would shop there!

[kingofoviedo 6]

Thanks for the easy copy and paste. I went right ahead and e-mailed my Congresswoman [R] that I helped vote into office.

[jmdove 3]

Yea, good English is a start, but even better would be firing all the progressive democrats and then the regular democrats who think taking away our 2nd amendment right is a good idea. And I don't think were going to get much help from the U.S. based gun manufacturers on this issue either-unless they find a way to make money on it. Now, at least you guys have someone you can write to. I only have Boxer and Feinstein to write to and they are proven anti-gunners. No sympathy will be coming from those two socialist, nanny state hags. My local congressman is a new Repub congressman who is untested. I will write him and see where it goes. Maybe all this wouldn't be an issue if one of the U.S. companies got off their duff and came up with a Saiga-12 concept, not forgetting the snobby manufacturers of the AA-12 of course.

[Xitesmai 1]

Lets not get into Democrats vs Republicans...cant we just say those who want to restrict the 2nd Amendment?

 

Each political party has their faults...so lets just leave it at that...

 

Oh and the reply from the Congressman posted above essentially read..."Oh I hear you, but I'm not going to do anything about it...maybe we'll talk about that later."

[Xitesmai 1]

Yea, good English is a start, but even better would be firing all the progressive democrats and then the regular democrats who think taking away our 2nd amendment right is a good idea. And I don't think were going to get much help from the U.S. based gun manufacturers on this issue either-unless they find a way to make money on it. Now, at least you guys have someone you can write to. I only have Boxer and Feinstein to write to and they are proven anti-gunners. No sympathy will be coming from those two socialist, nanny state hags. My local congressman is a new Repub congressman who is untested. I will write him and see where it goes. Maybe all this wouldn't be an issue if one of the U.S. companies got off their duff and came up with a Saiga-12 concept, not forgetting the snobby manufacturers of the AA-12 of course.

 

You cant just make an American clone of the Saiga...you could make a totally new semi-auto shotgun, that provides a sporting purpose btw. But American made "Chi-com" copies violate IP laws against Izsmash, and they will sue.

[yooper14.5 84]

Yeah, we need somthing totally new with a simiar action to the AK but the ergnomics of a AR, but lets not turn this into a saiga replacement debate.

[28295_1530300938 0]

Thanks for the great letter format to send. I don't know if anybody else does this but I always like to leave a historical quote at the end to remind our public officials about where we came up from. I know I'm new to these forums but let me just add that if we don't do anything to help fix things, we cant expect things to change.

 

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

 

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. ~Thomas Paine

 

Nations grown corrupt

Love bondage more than liberty;

Bondage with ease than strenuous liberty.

~John Milton

 

 

I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpation's. ~James Madison, speech, Virginia Convention, 1788

 

We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. ~Edward R. Murrow

 

 

[jmdove 3]

Lets not get into Democrats vs Republicans...cant we just say those who want to restrict the 2nd Amendment?

 

Each political party has their faults...so lets just leave it at that...

 

Oh and the reply from the Congressman posted above essentially read..."Oh I hear you, but I'm not going to do anything about it...maybe we'll talk about that later."

 

Well now, I used to be a democrat. The trouble is that I saw too many as trying to take gun rights. Your quite correct that there are democrats who actually believe in the 2nd Amendment and protect it. Else the NRA wouldn't have endorsed them. But the demos in California are all anti-gun and vote for gun restrictions straight down the party line. Even now, there are new gun restrictions proposals on the books waiting to be voted on and Socialist Jerry Brown is the governor. So, with all sincerity, please forgive me if I seem a tad sensitive on this issue.

[jmdove 3]

In regards to the U.S. made copies. I hear you, its a good point. If the AA-12 manufacturer would just deign to make a semi-auto version of his gun then that would be a decent American option. But I am told that he won't. Hope he changes his mind.

But even so losing the Saiga-12 shouldn't stand. I just don't know if there are enough of us to make a winning stand.

Edited April 15, 2011 by jmdove

[yooper14.5 84]

I agree.