MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Im looking to SBS my S-12, but Tromix is closed until mid next year. Does anyone know of a good builder to tackle this? Im still debating on which length to go with, but it will be between 8 and 10" most likely. I still have to look into it in terms of loosing wayy too much performance versus effectiveness factor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Please take my advice, wait for Tony. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Hmm haha I was thinking about that. Ive been doing non-stop reading online and thats what Im getting out of it. Seems some people have issues with their gun not cycling right etc. One good thing is that it will give me time to save up. Whats the price around roughly? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 TAC 47 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 I don't know. You would have to call Tromix. This is a gun you will be married to (NFA). Take it fron a guy that has lived and learned, you want it built by the best. There is nothing more disheartening than having a SBS that you've sunk a pile of money into and it is totally useless. Anyone want to sell me a bolt, bolt carrier and barrel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clifton 354 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 We build one of the Best SBS in the business. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Lone Star Arms 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
physicsnerd 139 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Tromix, Tac 47, Lone Star Arms, Rifle Dynamics, Red Jacket are just some of the forum sponsors that come to mind that do them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I dont see much in their respective forums on conversions, let alone on their sites. Im trying to find their reliability percentage on their SBS's. I know Tromix is pretty much 99.9% reliable. I dont want to dish out the dough and then this thing wont fire low brass, when all I had to do was wait 6 mths and get Tromix to run it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clifton 354 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I pretty sure out of the names mentioned that you are looking at reliable guns Do your research, its not what you read but what you dont read.. if some one has a problem you will hear it. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/68590-my-new-toy/page__hl__%2Btac47+%2Bsbs__fromsearch__1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) I talked to Lone Star and they dont want to SBS it because it already has work done to it, Paulys glass bolt converted etc. Tac47 will do it but they will charge me again to convert it. Even though its done, they will re-do it again. Im guessing Tromix is my only bet now. Unless someone knows of another place that will SBS an already converted gun and a gun that has had bolt work. edited: Lone star doesnt want to do it because they would much rather work on an unmolested gun. Edited November 14, 2011 by MrOneEyedBoh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 MrOneEye, Can you shoot me a PM? This stupid iPad won't let me start a PM but will let me reply to them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Should'a gotten a Galaxy 10.1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I talked to Lone Star and they dont want to SBS it because it already has work done to it, Paulys glass bolt converted etc. Tac47 will do it but they will charge me again to convert it. Even though its done, they will re-do it again. Im guessing Tromix is my only bet now. Unless someone knows of another place that will SBS an already converted gun and a gun that has had bolt work. edited: Lone star doesnt want to do it because they would much rather work on an unmolested gun. Lol! I didn't EVER say "unmolested". I did indicate that it is best to start with a factory IZ-109, and have one builder do the project start to finish. Good luck with the project! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) I misworded it, ( That is what I meant, having you do it from start to finish ) but never better than from the horses mouth. Thanks though Mike. Edited November 14, 2011 by MrOneEyedBoh 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wade Pruetz 103 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Tac47 built my SBS and it eats anything, I put a JTE magwell on it and I have been less than thrilled with it. I tested the new Tac47 yesterday and it was a 100% reliable so as soon as they come out I will be putting one on my baby. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Niner, What are the issues with the magwell? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdtravers 637 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Niner, What are the issues with the magwell? He is a TAC 47 guy now, and they have a mag well coming out, so go figure! Don't know why people have to bad mouth their competition. Why can't we all just get along?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wade Pruetz 103 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) Niner, What are the issues with the magwell? He is a TAC 47 guy now, and they have a mag well coming out, so go figure! Don't know why people have to bad mouth their competition. Why can't we all just get along?? Bought your product and it doesn't work that great for me. Sorry that hurts your feelings but it has been my experience that the SGM doesn't work at all and I never could get your magwell to work 100%. Your magwell like the SGM relies solely on mag fitment to produce the correct feed angle. The Tac47 is more like the R&R targets magwell that uses the side mag release to produce the correct feed angle. I also own the R&R targets magwell on my race gun, but it works just like it is supposed to so no complaints there. I don't carry anyones water I don't care if I am friends with Keith or not, I will not bash someones product with out cause or make false statements about Tac47 products just for him to sell a product. I tried the SGM and it never worked on several guns I built, I have yours on my SBS and it works about 90-95% of the time something that I have stated numerous times on this forum well before the Tac47 magwell was ever conceived. I guess had you and another vendor not decided to lock out Tac47 from purchasing your magwell we wouldn't be having this conversation, but in the long run consumer wins! Yours Truly Tac47 GUY! Edited December 8, 2011 by NinerRider Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wade Pruetz 103 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Niner, What are the issues with the magwell? My issue with the JTE magwell is that it relies solely on the fitting the mag so that the correct feed angle is maintained. I got where I could produce mags that were pretty reliable albeit never a 100%. When I had feed problems they typically were that the shell would not go all the way in to battery, at that point you could rack the bolt and load a new shell or smack the bolt carrier forward to force it into battery. Once i got them fitted correctly with the proper feed angle they were never 100% drop free, which is half the reason I wanted a magwell in the first place. Other than that I think the magwell is a nice unit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Niner, What are the issues with the magwell? My issue with the JTE magwell is that it relies solely on the fitting the mag so that the correct feed angle is maintained. I got where I could produce mags that were pretty reliable albeit never a 100%. When I had feed problems they typically were that the shell would not go all the way in to battery, at that point you could rack the bolt and load a new shell or smack the bolt carrier forward to force it into battery. Once i got them fitted correctly with the proper feed angle they were never 100% drop free, which is half the reason I wanted a magwell in the first place. Other than that I think the magwell is a nice unit! Copy that. Thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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