BattleRifleG3 16 Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 Saiga 410 - $160ish wholesale, tack on $30-50 for final price with dealer transfer and shipping. Same receiver, yes. P-grip conversion possible, yes. Legal, NO. 20rd mags... Can you imagine how low the thing would hang? I'm trying to find out if the 410's bolt is as strong as the 7.62, cause if so it could handle the pressures of 444 Marlin, which is a conversion I'd like to do and it would probably work with the same magazine. I know I once asked how old you were, and I forget now, but a word of advice is that some guns look and feel cool but the attention you give to their "cool" factors is misapplied. Especially if you want to convert one against the law. Bottom line is listen and learn, and realize that you have a lot to learn. We've all been there and an open growing mind will make the difference between making the most of your youth and getting yourself into trouble before you get the chance to learn. Be thankful for everything you have and don't for a moment think taht you lack something that'll be fulfilled by a new cool gun. Trust me, I've been there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaltPeter 6 Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 A .410 is NOT considered a shotgun gauge. It can't be, otherwise the Thunder Five revolver (pictured below) would be considered a short barrelled shotgun because it is under 26" overall and has a 3" barrel. But these guns are legal handguns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hutch 0 Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 Those have rifled barrels...that is what makes them legal.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaltPeter 6 Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 (edited) That can't be all there is to it or this too would be legal if the barrel was rifled: Edited June 6, 2004 by SaltPeter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hutch 0 Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 AOW, I belive, Smoothbore handgun... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaltPeter 6 Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 So you could have one of these if the barrel was rifled? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 "Shotgun not deemed to have sporting purpose" From definitions section of destructive devices.'The secretary 'is the only one who decides-if the secretary says no sporting purpose,that makes it a'destructive device'. Us mere mortals are aparently incapable of deciding these weighty matters.Sleep tight america 'the secretary is protecting us from the need to think! G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 Any bore over 0.5" is a Destructive device except for shotguns. Even if rifled, it counts as a shotgun if it's a shotgun gage. The thunder 5 is chambered for 45 Colt primarily, and accomodates 410 shells, but is first and foremost a pistol round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hutch 0 Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 they said it better than I could. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Do you have an FFL and smithing license? what is a smithing license? there in no fediral law stoping me from making my sears pump action shot gun into a PG. there is no law stoping me from making a PG shotgun from parts at home. there is no law stoping me from making a hand gun at home. i will be legaly making a .45 at my houes. making a shotgun no longer have a sholder stock will not change the clasifacion of the weapon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emclean 0 Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 i am the guset that posted above. forgot to log in before posting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Control3 3 Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 There is NO law saying that 12 or 20ga shotguns can't take >5rd mags. They just aren't imported for business reasons. I have no idea about the whole .410 being a shotgun or not issue, but it is illegal to attach a magazine of greater than 5 rounds to an imported shotgun, semiauto or otherwise. Per the ATF: A shotgun having a magazine capacity of more than 5 shells is prohibited from importation as a sporting firearm under Title 18 United States Code (U. S. C.), 925(d)(3). Therefore it is a violation Title 18, U. S. C. 922 ® to assemble such a shotgun from imported parts as provided in Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Part 479 (formerly Part 178) 478.39. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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