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#1 HOG76

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:23 AM

I have a bullet guide for a round trunion Saiga 5.45, will this work in a Vepr? I am making the assumption that all Vepr's have the round trunion, is this correct?

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:42 AM

All the ones Ive seen have had a round one. You'll just have to wait and see what shows up. But it will work if it is round trunnion.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:22 AM

Thanks for the info Captain.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:39 PM

Mine are both round.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:30 PM

The 5.45 guide I got from Greg at CSS was the same look and shape as the .223, but works flawless, and the trunnion on my Vepr took a bit longer to tap vs. any Saiga's I did. I think Liberty's wasnt as bad as mine for his .223, but mine was a bitch. lol. Overall you'll be pleased HOG. The payoff is worth it.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:58 AM

The 5.45 guide I got from Greg at CSS was the same look and shape as the .223, but works flawless, and the trunnion on my Vepr took a bit longer to tap vs. any Saiga's I did. I think Liberty's wasnt as bad as mine for his .223, but mine was a bitch. lol. Overall you'll be pleased HOG. The payoff is worth it.


The first one went smooth, but did take longer than expected. The second ended up being a bitch.The second one the tap broke about half way through the tapping process. At that point I decided to redrill the hole a size bigger and use a rivet to mount it.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 09:02 PM

Those Vepr trunnions can be a bitch. I went at the same rate I did with my .223 Saiga and it took over twice as long. lol.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:50 PM

Curious... I'm using Bulgarian circle 10 and 21 mags and my vepr functions fine without the bullet guide. Is it the mags or just my luck?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:29 AM

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Edited by ak karl, 11 December 2012 - 03:32 PM.


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:27 PM

Curious... I'm using Bulgarian circle 10 and 21 mags and my vepr functions fine without the bullet guide. Is it the mags or just my luck?

did you modify the magazine release or the magazines?

Edited by ak karl, 11 December 2012 - 03:29 PM.


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:21 PM

It may work fine now, but its long term reliability that remains to be seen. And yes, what did you modify?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:56 PM

Just the mag catch. When I chamber a round it feeds perfectly every time. I've done it slow to watch the angle and I'm not exactly sure why the guide is needed. If I'm missing something or just simply uninformed please share the info. I'd really not like to damage anything in my new beauty due to my own ignorance. I was under the impression the rounds would not feed without a bullet guide to ramp them to the proper angle.

It may work fine now, but its long term reliability that remains to be seen. And yes, what did you modify?



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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:02 PM

I test fired my Saiga 5.45 and it worked fine without the bullet guide, but that was just a few mags.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:49 PM

If your rifle feeds ok without one, then keep on keeping on. Id shoot it a few hundred times to see if it will be reliable before I decide if it will function reliably or not. You wont hurt anything by not putting one in other than hurting reliablilty if it becomes a problem.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:40 PM

New member, first post, probably dumb question. Just received new vepr 5.45 from kvar. I have one circle 10 mag and 4 tapco on the way. I plan on filing the mag catch. Will the factory mags still work after filing the catch? Don't plan on installing bullet guide, at least initially.



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:22 PM

 Mine do.


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:29 PM

wow,fast response,thanks . Tapcos came in just now. 



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 05:21 PM

nice, all mags fit. Tapcos and circle 10 are tight, factory mags are just barely loose,but not sloppy. Was kind of nervous about grinding on brand new rifle. 



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 06:57 PM

I grinded on mine the first day I got it. lol.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:35 AM

shot 60 rounds yesterday. Number 57 jammed using 30 round tapco. Looks like I need to install the bullet guide. I've read that it's not uncommon for these to jam when new, but my saiga 223 has never jammed. The bullet was jammed below the chamber.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:12 PM

shot 60 rounds yesterday. Number 57 jammed using 30 round tapco. Looks like I need to install the bullet guide. I've read that it's not uncommon for these to jam when new, but my saiga 223 has never jammed. The bullet was jammed below the chamber.

Does it jam the same way with the circle 10's? Tapcos really arent the best mags, but they work good for some folks. The only mags I use are Russian and Bulgarian, but I also put a guide in all my guns that dont have one.

 

Since your starting to have jams, Id say its very possibly going to slowly get worse, as the mag gets used. Just take your time with tapping the trunnion. The Vepr trunnion is a bit more beefy than the Saiga, and took me a while longer to do. Just go slow. 1/4 turn at a time and blow it out. Repeat. It took me almost 2 hrs for my 5.45, but is well worth the finished result.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:38 PM

Yesterday was first time shooting this weapon. I kind of got caught up  in the madness and bought a bushmaster and some lower receivers for some ar builds, plus i was waiting on some non corrosive ammo. Didn't try the circle 10, will try it tomorrow. Probably going to order bullet guide. Did you have to notch the top of the factory mags after installing the bullet guide?



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:42 PM

Yes. The factory mags have a built in bump that acts as a bullet guide, the same as the Saigas. Just mod the mag the same as a Saiga and it should work fine. I havent had any issues with any of my Molot mags that have been modded.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:24 PM

Ordered bullet guide from css. Thought about testing 7n6 vs wolf military classic sp in tapco's to see if it was ammo related,but i want to be able to shoot all the ammo available. Plus 7n6 is not legal for coyote hunting, though I can't imagine being fined for that here in Arkansas



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:06 PM

Just go slow with your tap. I cant stress that enough. Keep patient and you shall come out victorious. I always drill my holes all the way through the trunnion so if I have a tap break I can try to shatter it and let the debris fall out of the way. Use something for a cutting oil too. It will help.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:24 PM

Zero failures with circle 10 mag and wpa. It was jamming every other round today with tapco. Still haven't received guide. Should I just shitcan the tapcos? Or should they be fine with the guide?



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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:11 AM

Zero failures with circle 10 mag and wpa. It was jamming every other round today with tapco. Still haven't received guide. Should I just shitcan the tapcos? Or should they be fine with the guide?

That remains to be seen. Id wait for the guide, put it in, and go from there. The bulgy mags should still function flawless, but the crapcos should do a bit better.. Its up to you to shitcan them. I would. lol. but thats me, and I'll let you decide if you want to after you put a guide in.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

guide arrived. install went worse than i had hoped. somehow I drilled too far forward on the trunion ( too close to the chamber). I feel kind of sick. I center punched several times,but my bit still wandered. I guess I'll either leave it without a guide or see if I can find someone to tig weld it in. 



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:40 PM

Make the hole bigger in the guide to where you can still get a screw in to secure it.

 

Edit, to better state it, elongate the hole on the guide so you can use your screw they sent with it.


Edited by Captain Hero, 25 February 2013 - 09:41 PM.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

great idea. i'll give it a shot


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