Madwand 2 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 My guess is the answer to this question is yes. But I can't find anything definitive. If you do anything to the gun to make it tactical, it then has too many foreign parts, and is illegal. Since it could only ship with a 5 round magazine, I assume a 10 round magazine makes it tactical. If all this is true, does it make the gun illegal as soon as I put the magazine in it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I'm not an attorney, but my understanding is possession of both the 10 rd or larger magazine and a weapon that can use it is illegal. The good news is there are sufficient aftermarket parts out there that you can make the "922 conversion" for just over $100. Example: Trigger/Disconnector (considered 2 parts) $25 Hammer $25 Gas Piston $35 Magazine Floorplate $25 Depending on who you talk to, you may need only 4 of the above to get legal. Some others feel 5 US made parts is required. Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Madwand 2 Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) Right, I knew about the 922 conversion, just wasn't sure if the magazine itself made the gun illegal. I just posted the same question about a charging handle on another thread, where they called it tactical. Also, you wouldn't need to replace the magazine floor plate on the 10 rounder, because it is American, correct? That counts as 1 of your parts already. Edited January 19, 2013 by Madwand Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Right, I knew about the 922 conversion, just wasn't sure if the magazine itself made the gun illegal. I just posted the same question about a charging handle on another thread, where they called it tactical. Also, you wouldn't need to replace the magazine floor plate on the 10 rounder, because it is American, correct? That counts as 1 of your parts already. The factory 10 rd magazine is all foreign parts so that one would need a new floorplate. If your 10 rd magazine is one of the Firebird Precision conversions for 10 rds, then the American made floorplate will count. Note that noncompliance does not make the firearm illegal, its possession of the firearm and large magazine that is illegal. The charging handle is not one of the 14 components that are counted as "foreign parts", so changing it out does nothing to help with the count. The following link may help. http://www.gunsumerreports.com/review_akdal_mka_1919_p7.php Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I DO NOT encourage anyone to be 922 non-compliant. I asked our ATF investigator about this very subject, this was before Sandy Hook . She said "To my knowledge we have NEVER charged anyone with a 922 infraction, UNLESS it was an additional charge added to charges from a criminal act". Take that for what you paid for it.....and refer back to my first statement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Madwand 2 Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Thanks, just wanted to know how much more I have to spend if I buy new magazines. The gun was built to be tactical, so I think I do want to make it tactical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Madwand 2 Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Thanks, just wanted to know how much more I have to spend if I buy new magazines. The gun was built to be tactical, so I think I do want to make it tactical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KIRCH76 12 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 if you cut off the stock and put a collapsible/folding buttstock or buy high cap mags you have to be 922 compiant. Pretty much everything else would keep the gun in its sporting form. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KIRCH76 12 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 The only parts I know that are avaiable trigger & disconnector (2 peices) hammer forend (handguards) Operating Rod (if you get your forend from firebird it comes with a new one) mag base plate (just make sure that if you cut the stock off you have enough parts on the gun if not using mag with this) gas piston lower receiver (firebird) The batf states there is 14 imported parts on this shotgun. upper receiver, barrel, lower receiver (complete with buttstock and grip), bolt, bolt carrier, operation rod, gas piston, trigger, hammer, disconnector, handguards, mag body, mag follower, mag floorplate You need to replace 4 of these parts for 922r compliance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) I DO NOT encourage anyone to be 922 non-compliant. I asked our ATF investigator about this very subject, this was before Sandy Hook . She said "To my knowledge we have NEVER charged anyone with a 922 infraction, UNLESS it was an additional charge added to charges from a criminal act". Take that for what you paid for it.....and refer back to my first statement. Three of the parts to change on the way to 922 compliance is the trigger, disconnector and hammer. Even if I wanted to keep my MKA appearing stock, I would still change out those three parts just to replace the crappy plastic trigger that comes with the gun. Just add the $35 gas piston and you are legal. In my case, when I'm done, I should be down to 8 foreign made components, and that's just until someone comes out with US made followers. No sense in taking chances. [replacing hammer, disconnector, trigger, gas piston, floorplates and handguard] Bill Edited January 19, 2013 by Flatland Shooter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Madwand 2 Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Well, I have a gas piston and 2 baseplates coming, but can't find the charger, disconnector in stock. Hope they (Carolina) get them soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KIRCH76 12 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Tony from tromix who makes a lot of the parts said he is working on getting more parts in stock. firebird has also stated they are coming out with a full list Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Madwand 2 Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Firebird is out because their trigger, disconnect is by hand fit only. Looks like maybe February for tromix... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McJenkins1 0 Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Since when is a 10 round mag high cap? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Madwand 2 Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Since the gun is an import. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McJenkins1 0 Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 That's crazy. Only New York would think 10 rounds is high capacity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Englishandy 1 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Ten rounds for a rifle, five rounds for a shotgun. All part of the 922r law. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawaiianbasshead 3 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 change out as many parts as you can. it's an expensive gun what's another couple hundred bucks? that said, from what I understood a full US mag counts as 3 parts, body, follower and baseplate... so at some point with this model receiving more popularity it only makes sense for SGM, AGP or Promag to produce some for it.. so I would say what type of mag you were using would also make a difference. I would also think you could make a s12 mag baseplate somehow work on the mka mag? I would imagine they're similar in size? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Keep in mind, Benneli imported M4's to the US. Stripped them down and coated them with NP3, then called those coated parts US Made. What defines "Manufactured" or "Made in the USA" ? Food for thought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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