JESS1344 508 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) GUYS, Many models were made and there were complex additions to the machines during the war, but British code breakers managed to crack the "Enigma" code. AH-NO.......ACTUALLY POLISH MILITARY INTELLIGENCE HAD A SMUGGLED ENIGMA AND HAD BEEN READING ENIGMA TRAFFIC SINCE THE MID-30'S. WHEN IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THEY WERE DOOMED, THE POLES PRESENTED THE BRIT SPOOKS AND CRYPTO-BOFFINS WITH THEIR MACHINE. THIS WAS DENIED, AND AN ALTERNATE STORY USED FOR MANY YEARS AFTER THE WAR, BECAUSE THE SURVIVING PRINCIPALS WERE BY THEN BEHIND THE IRON CURTIN, WITH THE SOVIET BOOT ON THEIR NECKS. JESS1344 Click here: WWII German 'Enigma' Coding Machine Up For Sale Edited October 13, 2013 by JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronin38 2,117 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 A little more historical information for you, concerning the role of NCR here in Dayton, Ohio and the work on breaking the Enigma code. http://daytoncodebreakers.org/brief/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) GUYS, Many models were made and there were complex additions to the machines during the war, but British code breakers managed to crack the "Enigma" code. AH-NO.......ACTUALLY POLISH MILITARY INTELLIGENCE HAD A SMUGGLED ENIGMA AND HAD BEEN READING ENIGMA TRAFFIC SINCE THE MID-30'S. the poles cracked the commercial enigma machine, which is true. however, the poles never cracked the military version, which is a wholey different critter. it was the brits with some help from French mathematicians who eventually broke the military enigma . Edited October 13, 2013 by Matthew Hopkins Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jfreakofkorn 1 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 it was the capture of the u-505 that helped in cracking the code .... a enigma machine w/ documents that was retrieved from the germans trying to scuttle the boat http://www.msichicago.org/whats-here/exhibits/u-505/the-exhibit/artifacts/enigma/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-505 outcome section Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Been through the U-505 at the museum in Chicago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Saw a DIY site write up on building your own Enigma. Not exactly sure why... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 There's a fairly good description on how the machine works, albeit not complete, in 'The Code Book' by Simon Singh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 U 505 did add one more machine, but by then the British already had several. If memory serves, at that early time pre war the Nazi Military was using modified commercial machines soosss both sides are correct...kinda. Only during the middle-late war did Germany add many different versions---at least 4 Eye believe. History is so cool. But writ by the victorious History says some Nazis had a very good idea their stuff was being read, but nobody had the balls to tell Herr Hitler. Probably wise. Also FWIW, our breaking the Jap codes probably was directly related to the great Midway victory. The Japs never recovered. All because of breaking the other guys codes. If the NSA is listening to us, who is listening to the NSA? And so on? HB of CJ (old coot) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 The most telling story of how importance breaking the German code was to the Brits was the bombing of Coventry. It could have been defended but wasnt so the secret could be kept. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Can you imagine being in a military (or politicial) position of command and having to make decisions that result in the deaths of innocent cilivians? Didn't that brave Brit guy who let the Nazis bomb that English town have family there? I am now confusing history with several older war movies. An a former RN-PM, I had enough problems watching/letting injured/old patients die since there was nothing I could do. Some in my arms. Can you imagine hundreds? I can't. Glad I do not have to. Maybe all politicians need to have an old Enigma machine. It might make them think a bit....if that is possible. HB of CJ (old coot) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 To this day I think the Irish understood Churchill far better than anyone else and whatever one may think of him they knew him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted October 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 GUYS, ANOTHER PUZZLE-PIECE TO THE ENIGMA-MAGIC-ULTRA-PURPLE-JN25, ET AL, STORY........ A JAP DIPLOMATIC-TYPE STATIONED IN EUROPE SPOTTED ONE OF THE ENIGMA'S IN USE, AND SINCE THE JAPS WERE LOOKING ABOUT FOR A BETTER, MORE SECURE, CYPHER MACHINE, THE JAPS ADOPTED A VERSION OF IT FOR THEIR MILITARY/DIPLO CODES. GIVEN THE ADVANCES MADE AGAINST THE GERMAN MACHINES ALREADY, IT MADE OUR BREAKING OF THE PURPLE/JN25 LESS DIFFICULT. JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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