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After running another 150 rounds through my new Saga-12 last week, I feel like there may be some hope after all. As I stated in my previous post, I didn't experience any FTE's, but I did have one FTF when I ran out of Remington and went to Winchester. It may have been the ammo, mag related, or what ever, but the gun did seem to run better the second time around. However, I have mixed feelings concerning this new fangled barrel hood, because unreliable feeding has never been an issue with my other two Saiga-12's. I'm of the opinion that if it aint broke don't fix it.

everything. it means the russians improved the design from the factory, so we never get jams on the barrel hood wit 2 3/4 inch shells. thanks for taking the time to post. heres a good pic to show you how the longer barrel hood prevents 2 3/4 in shells from jaming on the barrel hood. thanks again evl. So are all the newer S12 comming in like this? ...If I go to CSS and order me a S12 will it be like this? Before this thread I never even heard of the smaller shells having issues with FTF jamming. I've been reading along with this thread and liked what I saw but wasnt all

How bad is the contact with the trunion? Is it actually causing deformation, because the two Saiga-12's I have in addition to this one, make contact to the point that there is a surface print, but does not cause any dammage to the trunion itself. Also, one of these guns was SBS's to 16' and is overgassed to the point that it runs low brass on #1 and clogs itself up with a plastick shit biscuit in as little as 150 rounds. So far, all I've seen is where the print has gone through the paint but there is no damage. I plan to send this gun back for a new barrel, but even though it's as badly over g

I'm going to run some more rounds through my gun this week to see if I get any more FTE's. Hopefully, this issue will clear up and I can move forward. It's probably better to run the gun in stock form to see what it's going to do before adding after market parts. In other words, you may not want to start fixing what's not broke, because the gun just may work right from the start.Give it a chance and see, hopefully it will be one they got right,

Hey brother, I feel your pain. What I've learned in the twentyfour+years I've been in the firearms biz, is that you can cover all your bases and still get a lemon. As mentioned in my previous post, I hand selected this new Saiga-12 out of several others at the show and I even inspected the gas ports as well. There were three visible port holes when I looked inside the gas block so I figured It was a three port gun. Okay, so I bought the gun. Once I got it home and made a closer inspection, I noticed a fourth hole partially covered by the gas block. Oh well, I guess we can expect more of this g

I have an 09 and it's the only Saiga-12 I have that's never had any issues. I wish they could pull their heads out of their asses long enough to build all of them this way. It really burns my ass that I had to remove the gas block on a brand new 2011 gun to expose the gas ports after they supposedly corrected this gas port Bullshit. I don't mean to sound like an angry ass-crack, but I guess I expected better of the new run of Saiga-12's. Not to mention that I hand selected this gun out of several Saiga-12's at the show with those tacky new plastic thread protectors. Hell, I even passed up a b

If you can get a .063 wire into that gas port your probably alright. I measured all of my ports at this measurement with a one 16' spring pin which I believe is the equivalent to .063. My gun is a 2011 with the extended barrel hood which is of no significants to me, all I'm concerned about is the amount fiddle-fucking around I'll most likely have to do to get it to run right.

You may be right about that fourth hole. I thought mine was a three port untill I looked inside the gas block with a mall sliver of an old broken mirror. About half the hole was covered buy the front edge of the access hole and boy was I PISSED! Anyway, sinse my last post, I removed the gas block without any problem, and opened up the access hole to 11/32. Now I can see all of the holes but the fourth one is still a little harder to see. However, I can fit a one 16' pin in each hole so I know they are all unobstructed. I did get to shoot this gun Wednsday evening and I experienced at least tw

I want to make a correction, my new Saiga-12 has four ports not three. I noticed a fourth port upon closer inspection with a small mirror inside the gas block. The fourth gas port is obstructed by the gas block and I can only see half of the hole. This gun is a brand new 2011 Saiga-12 with the extended barrel hood. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones to get one of the new batch of Vodka Specials. FFFFFUUUUCCCKKK!!!!!!!! Also, it's not a Legion, the importer is US Sporting goods and I forgot the name of the city in Florida. I havent shot the gun yet, but I'd be willing to bet it's not going to ru

I just bought a new 2011 Saiga-12 at the gunshow today and it has three port holes with two slightly obsrtucted by the gas block. I hope it runs like the one you test fired because I've gone through a ton of shit with a previous Vodka special. This gun is a 2011 production as proved by the ser# as well as the paper work inside the owners manuel. There is no removal of a previous manufacture on the right side reciever and the importer is from Florida. My main concern is the slightly obstucted gas holes and if they will cause any problems with the way this gun functions. I was under the impressi

Personally, I would like to have had the holes on my first Saga-12 riveted, but I didn't know anyone who could install the rivets, so I ended up welding them. What a pain in the ass that was.

I did another inspection of the gas ports and they are larger than 5 6/4. I believe they are probably .093 and I have four of them with a 16' barrel. The fellow that did my gun simply installed another barrel rather than cutting the barrel and opening up the gas ports in the barrel that came with the gun. Why he chose to do it this way is a mystery, but that's what was done. The gas ports are in the shape of a square, rather than a triangle, which leads me to believ he used a cut down 24' two port barrel and added two more ports. Also, the gas ports are slightly obstructed by the gas block it

I've noticed the same problem with my Saiga-12 K. I get this plastic shit biscuit formed on the front of the gas puck after 100-150 rounds. How long is your barrel and how many gas ports do you have? Also, do you know what size your gas ports are?

The OP had a Form 1, so he is allowed to "manufacture" that individual SBS. +1 on it needing 4 ports It sounds like there may be some burrs in the barrel or a sharp edge on the inside of the barrel at the ports that is "shaving" material off of the shot cup in the ammo as it travels past, causing the premature "shitloading" of the gas block. I have experienced the "shit biscuit", but usually after about 400-500 rounds of Federal Multi-purpose. The weapon still runs great with the shit biscuit in it and I usually have no indication of its existence until I go home and clean the weapon.

The OP had a Form 1, so he is allowed to "manufacture" that individual SBS. +1 on it needing 4 ports It sounds like there may be some burrs in the barrel or a sharp edge on the inside of the barrel at the ports that is "shaving" material off of the shot cup in the ammo as it travels past, causing the premature "shitloading" of the gas block. I have experienced the "shit biscuit", but usually after about 400-500 rounds of Federal Multi-purpose. The weapon still runs great with the shit biscuit in it and I usually have no indication of its existence until I go home and clean the weapon.

The gas ports are angled toward the face of the gas puck and this was my first question. However, they are not in the form of a diamond like the factory, they are in the form of a square. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the gun was originally a three port gun. I measured the new port holes at 5/64 and although that does not seem unusually large, I don't know why the holes needed to be modified in the first place. I was originaly going to cut the barrel myself and see if it would run with the factory three gas ports, but I was new to the Saiga -12, and wanted to send it to someone with previ

I have a 19inch with factory 4 ports and I get the same around 100-150 rounds Do you get a plastick disk form between your gas puck and gas plug like I descibed with my Saiga-12? I'm not talking about some carbon or simple fouling that I can just shake or blow out. I'm talking about a plastick layer that welds itsef to the front of the gas puck that I have to pry out with a small screw driver. Or let me explain it like this. It's like a plastick biscuit glued to the front of the gas puck that I have to pry out with a small skrew driver. Is this what happens inside your gas block after 1

I'm not sure you thoroughly read my post. I stated that my main concern is the plastic biscuit that forms in between the gas puck and gas regulator after firing 100 to 150 rounds. This only happens on my Saiga-12 with the 16" barrel which now has four 5/64 gas ports. It did not do this before I sent the gun out on a form 1 to be SBSed. I have another Saiga-12 with Three .63 gas ports and a 19' barrel that does not do this no matter how many rounds I fire through it. What I'm trying to find out is; Has anyone else had a similar or the same thing happen to there Saiga-12 with shortened barrel or

I cannot simply blow the gas block out after It cools down, I actualy have to pry this hard plastic substace out with a screw driver. The gun runs fine up to the point that I stop, but after the gun cools down, the gas puck is welded to the gas rugulator with what appears to be the wadding from the ammo. As I said, it is a plastick substance that forms in between the gas puck and the gas regulator and this happens after as little as 100 to150 rounds. This condition is way beyond a little carbon fouling, it actually welds everything together inside the gas block. I seriously doubt this is norma

I've been getting heavy fouling in my Saiga-12 K after every 100 to 150 rounds. It appers to be a plastic substance that welds itself between the gas puck and gas regulator. I noticed this condition after I had the barrel shortened to 16" and went from three gas ports to four larger gas ports, The gun runs 2 3/4 bird shot on the #1 setting as well, and I am concerned that this may be an indication of the gun being over gassed. My main concern is the excessive fouling that I'm experiencing in such a low round count. I have another Saiga-12 with three gas ports and 19" barrel that does not do th

I agree, if this gun were an auto loader and used AGP 10 round mags, it would be the shit!

I shoot with the guys from Kel-Tech on a monthly basis and I've seen their gun in action. I realy like the concept of a bullpup design, but I would rather see a bullpup shotgun in semi auto with a box fed mag of at least 10 rounds. As one reader posted on this thread, you run into problems when its time to reload. You can't beat the Saiga-12 in competition simply because it has a detachable box fed mag, and even though the Kel-Tech and UTS-15 hold 14 rounds, it's a lot faster to reload the Saiga-12. In my opinion, the Saiga-12 is the scatter gun of the century, and untill they come up with som

Did you notice any of the plastic stuff I described in between the puck and gas plug? Yes it was mostly all melted plastic fouling. My gun is a 09 3 port drilled to 3/32" My gun has 4 ports but they aren't that big. I think they are more around 5/64. I'm just trying to find out if this much fouling is normal after shooting 100 or so rounds of low brass. I never ran more than 75 rounds at a time in this particular gun, untill I had the barrel cut and went from 3 ports to 4 ports. The ports are angled toward the gas piston and they are postioned in the shape of a square, rather

Did you notice any of the plastic stuff I described in between the puck and gas plug?

I don't mean to post twice on the same topic, but somehow I overlooked your thread. I recently had a simular experience after 150 rounds of low brass bird shot through my Saiga-12 K. The gun ran fine with 0 failures, but when I got home to clean it, I could not turn the gas plug out because it was glued shut with this plastic looking crap inside the gas block. I actualy had to use a small screw driver to pry the plastic disc out that had formed between the gas puck and gas plug. Is this normal? And is this what I should expect to go through every time I run 100 or so rounds through my Saiga-