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  • Birthday 12/03/1981

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    Firearm collecting (more like "amassing")
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  1. My S17 "Para". Details in this thread.
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    Well, just got the official data back from the suppressor metering and sadly the results look just as ugly as they sounded. All credit goes to NFA Talk.org for organizing the event and hosting the worlds largest database of independently verified suppressor tests. Special thanks to Plunky and ArevaloSOCOM for putting in all the hard work to make it happen. Detailed testing data and methodology can be found here. Left Ear: Unsuppressed = 162 dB. 1m @ Muzzle: Unsuppressed = 165.4 dB Short version for the mathematically challenged: you're looking at an average sound reduction of roughly 9-10 decibels.
  3. I put an ALG AKT into one of my AKMs, and despite my initial skepticism I've actually been pretty impressed. Not an expensive unit but performs very well and even comes with an accessory spring if one prefers a somewhat heavier pull with a nice clean break. I did have to fit it to the safety on that particular rifle. I'd like to put them in all my AK-type actions. Only complaint is they have a non-traditional contour which I could do without. IMHO, the argument for decent triggers in an AK is not ultimate precision, but quick follow-ups.
  4. Is it still $1000 a month for vendor status? ETA: My bad. $1200/year.
  5. The 7.5" Kitty Kat is definitely the loudest firearm I own, more so than the 8" 12 gauge or even the 30" .50BMG (yes, really). It really does clear the bench at public ranges and, as mentioned, you feel it in your sinuses. Minor hearing damage is assured, even with plugs and muffs. I don't know if anyone is "impressed" by its loudness. Annoyed, maybe.
  6. Wow so Black Horse is back? Last I remember, they burned a bunch of customers (and Atlantic Firearms IIRC) over non-existant parts/firearms and went out of business. Anyone know the story? New ownership or something? Looks like they're still making a bunch of the PSL/SVD stuff that would certainly be desirable if functional and/or obtainable. Concerning the (photoshopped) 54R pistol, are we not still threatening to burn manufacturers at the stake for making a 54R pistol and getting surplus ammo banned?
  7. Loudness is usually related to muzzle pressure. Guns that generate high pressure at the muzzle (AR15s in general, SBR AR15s in particular) are usually seen as "louder" than guns with lower muzzle pressure, as the crack will be much sharper. If that makes sense. Why would anyone want a revolver chambered in .30 carbine? I'm failing to see the appeal.
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    Thanks Bob, I really appreciate it. You guys made me a great base gun to build on! Its been dead-nuts reliable since day one. I've been running these loads here. Required the reduced power recoil spring and gas system set to "3". They are definitely subsonic out of my barrel. Nowhere near hearing safe unfortunately. I'd like to play around with a Saiga-adapter-equipped Salvo sometime. The only other thing I can do to increase suppression is to run the can wet, which is not under warranty but works fairly well anyway. I don't have any dB numbers for that though.
  9. If you're serious about doing plastic welding, one of these welders will do most anything and runs $70 at HF. They are essentially pinpoint-tip variable-temp heat guns. I used these extensively filling voids from the molding process at Jackson Kayak. Plastic welding is a real skill and takes a little practice to perform competently. Different plastics will behave differently at varying temps. You need to match your donor material, and get it just hot enough to bond, usually when the plastic takes on a shiny "wet" appearance. Do not get the plastic hot enough to bubble. GunFun laid out the general idea pretty well, but there are a lot of little secrets to making it work right. Like using a piece of waxed film (not paper) from the back of a decal to get a nice smooth finish without scorching your fingers. Add a dab of Tire Shine (no really) to the film to prevent sticking and allow you to rub it smooth. Flash with a torch to eliminate scuff marks after sanding. After a while, I got good enough to weld plastic with my fingertips. Gotta be quick!
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    Well it is a well known and documented fact that if you irritate the alphabet gang, they will irritate you right back. Armalite, check into the XCaliber suppressor. It has an indexable front sight and reports indicate slightly better reduction numbers than the Salvo. Its rated for 20ga too. Oh and the 10" measurement on the Mitigator is the added length.
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    Lol, it sounds terrible. J/K, not really. Well, kinda. I'll try to explain: It does not suppress to the degree that your average suppressor is capable of in most other calibers. Keep in mind that an 8" 12 gauge is excessively loud by any standard, so you're only going to get so much performance no matter what. It does an excellent job of knocking off the blast and concussion, as one would expect. It does not do an appreciable job of taking the measurable decibel levels down any significant degree. For example, the unsuppressed reading came in at 165dB, and with the can attached we were only getting readings in the mid 150's. Not terribly impressive by-the-numbers, but anyone who does metering will tell you there is more to it than that. The tone was noticeably lower and lacked the typical sharp crack. Use of a can like this typically causes the sound levels to drop off more quickly as one moves away from the shooter as well. So while the numbers are still high at the shooters position, it will (theoretically) get progressively quieter as one moves away from the shooter. There should also (again, theoretically) be almost no muzzle flash, but I have not tried night shooting to verify. IMO, the problem with shotgun cans is the excessive volume of gas. With centerfire rifles, its all about handling crazy high muzzle pressure. But I think a shotgun creates waaay more volume of gas (albeit at a lower pressure) than a reasonably sized tube can handle. I believe one could make a great full-sized integral if one built the gun around it. BTW, the above can is 10 inches in length and brings my 8" gun up to approximately the same length as my 18" perm'd gun. A single-stamp gun could be done with a perm'd tube, but I'm thinking I actually appreciate the "shortness" I'm getting out of the SBS more than the "hushness" I'm getting out of the can. YMMV. Size comparison: Overall, I'd say "Mitigator" is a pretty fair name. It does noticeably suppress the report at the shooters ear, but it sure won't make your gun quiet. Forget going without ear protection. Funny thing is; when I got in on the preorder for this thing, Tom was intending to make this a modular can similar to how the Salvo is made. He never could get it approved by ATF-FTB. Odd how they are now allowing all of these modular cans we're currently seeing on the market.
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    Birdshot and target loads are still as tame as ever. Buckshot and slugs are a bit of a wild ride though. Not too bad as long as you don't go for a tight cheekweld. The steel buttplate doesn't particularly bother me. I made it through a box of shells before the handguard started to warm up. I will be metering this combo today so it should be interesting to see some actual dB reduction numbers on the old CGW Mitigator. Believe it or not, I actually got this thing to run the Federal Subsonic shotshells by turning the gas up to 3 and dropping in a reduced power recoil spring. Weak ejection but functions 100% from the shoulder. I was able to induce some ejection failures by firing one handed and limpwristed. Still runs the bulk pack target loads in this configuration without excessive recoil. winninngg.jpg
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