hardcorps1775 1 Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 dpms sells an m-16 bayonet lug you can bolt on the barrel of your pc ar and i was thinking of getting this for my saiga12 and either reaming out the collar or just cutting off the lug and welding it to the barrel itself (choate used to sell such a thing years ago). NOTE: all this would have been POST awb (IF it sunsets...) anyway, as you may or may not have known, the muzzle ring of the m16 bayonet will fit perfectly over the barrel of any u.s. 12ga shotgun BUT IT WON'T FIT OVER THE MUZZLE OF THE SAIGA!!! damn!!! i think it's cuz of the finish, the saiga barrel is almost microscopically TOOO big for the ring...and i don't want to ream out the ring cuz i have an ar, too...and i don't want to go scraping the finish off the barrel cuz the piece is brand new...oh well, maybe i'll revisit this once i've dinged the gun up some! :D man, i'd love to stick one of them 16" blades on the end of this sucker! i have a winchester 1897 trench gun and it looks very very cool with the heatshield and the bayo! hmmm, heat shield... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azhunter 0 Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 So how much reaming are we talking about? Why could one dremmel out the material, then rubber dip the ring of the m16 bayonet to help protecte the finnish? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 That's awesome that they make one though!!! I'll definitely get one when the ban expires for my AR! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 (edited) One perk of the Saiga 20. I may offer such a mount for the Saiga, perhaps a one piece mount that includes a barrel extension. I'll be making one for a friend's 20, that'll be the beta version. Edited July 22, 2004 by BattleRifleG3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 You're really making alot of little things to adapt to saigas, I applaud you sir. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted July 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 really??? g3, what other things have you done? can we see pics or get descriptions? do you sell them? enquiring minds want to know!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 I have been designing these things for a LONG time. I have just gotten the tool sto make them happen. They'll come in time, but I'm trying to get the ideas out to see what people are most interested in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drooling idiot 1 Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 I'm trying to get the ideas out to see what people are most interested in. an adapter to put a remington 870 pistol gripped butt stock on the back of my saiga, and an ajustable elevated front site post with bayo-lug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 A true empty mag BHO that will hold the bolt securely open untill a new mag is inserted. Also a top rib that replaces the stock sights. G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Rem 870 P-gripped buttstock adaptor seems doable, bayonet lug, we'll see, depends on the bayonet, but it is on the agenda. Front post site definitely will look into. Hope you guys can be patient.... This is a lotta stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Was drooling idiot reffering to the S-12 or a saiga rifle? I'd love to put my folding Ren 870 stock on my s-12, but the pg would be illegal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drooling idiot 1 Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 i vote for the swiss sig PE-57 bayonet. its really good looking and dirt cheap because nothing fits it. you can pick one up with a sheath for 15 bucks http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product...PD7GW1NGFXHA72D sheath and close up. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product...PD7GW1NGFXHA72D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drooling idiot 1 Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Was drooling idiot reffering to the S-12 or a saiga rifle? I'd love to put my folding Ren 870 stock on my s-12, but the pg would be illegal i 'm a tall guy ( 6'7" ) so even post AWB i'm looking for a long lenght of pull on my saiga 12 shotgun. the PG stock would go on after the parts count came down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 "Parts count came down," what? that is a seperate law, and so far no one has found an alternative to using Russian parts. Nice bayonet though, I'd be happy putting that on my Saiga-12 or Rem 870. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 (edited) I had the EXACT same idea for using a Sig bayonet, as they're cheap and have a large ring, also the lug wouldn't seem too hard to make. That's actually what my friend's Saiga 20 will be equipped to take. Edited July 28, 2004 by BattleRifleG3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azhunter 0 Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 why couldn't the "lug" be removable? My reasoning is not too many people here would have access to a MIG/TIG welder to put a true bayo lug on their gun. Not to mention the chance of messing the barrel harmonics up (not that big of a deal if it's smooth bore) I was thinking of a scope ring type of lug. One that could be slid over the barrel, then tightened down when it was in the right place. If you want it off, just loosen the screw and slide it off. Just a thought Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 That is what DPMS offers, and my designs, though completely different, attach in a similar manner, with tightening screws or locking pins. The gas block lugs do not touch the barrel. The one for the shotgun would, but in a uniform manner, and like you said, it's a smoothbore anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drooling idiot 1 Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 so is this a go with the sig bayonet ? should i order mine now before the price jumps ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TapperMan 0 Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 It's funny, I had the same idea about the sig bayonet. I got one a few months back for under $10. The ring would only need to be enlarged very slightly, and the lug attachment point could be just a piece of rod with a notch in it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 I think the SIG bayonet is a great knife in and of itself. If there is interest I will make mounts for them, though I do not have a Saiga 12 to model it, so I will need co-operation. A front site is also a possibility, like on the same piece. I will plan to make them, even if on an individual basis. This is only a plan, though, so don't bet the farm on it, but just to be on the same page it is my plan to make such a thing. It would be legal now, since bayo lugs on shotguns are unrestricted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azhunter 0 Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 If you make them, I'll buy one I was just wondering about the parts game. Correct me if I'm wrong please, but isn't a bayonet, and a bayo mount each parts that have to be watched? I'm at work right now, and can't go looking for it right now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Bayonets and bayonet mounts ARE NOT on the list of 20 parts. They ARE NOT restricted on shotguns by the AWB. Someone somewhere said a bayo might be considered a barrel attachment. I think it unlikely, as you could say the same about a front site assembly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Bayonets on shotguns is cool, I've wanted to put one on mine for a while but can't weld Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azhunter 0 Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Bayonets on shotguns is cool, I've wanted to put one on mine for a while but can't weld I think you could, I bet I (or anyone who welds) could have you running awsome beads by that same night. Besides hunting, guns, riding quads, and camping welding is my other love Well now I know that they are NOT regulated I WILL buy one if you make them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Well then, you could help me by measuring your barrel diameter with a caliper or micrometer. Down to 0.001" would be best. If you can, that would really help to get things going. I'd like to offer an integrated front site, but I'm aware that different S-12s have different site heights, or so I've been told. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azhunter 0 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Well then, you could help me by measuring your barrel diameter with a caliper or micrometer. Down to 0.001" would be best. If you can, that would really help to get things going. I'd like to offer an integrated front site, but I'm aware that different S-12s have different site heights, or so I've been told. I would LOVE to do it, but my Saiga is still at the factory. My FFL refuses to order one gun from a store, when he could save on shipping if he had two coming. I offered to pay my own shipping, but he said it's killer, and he gets awsome deals. Oh well it will be soon enough. Besides he's not charging me an FFL fee so it's all good I guess Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Well, if SOMEONE would be so kind as to measure their barrel diameter, it would help get the product out soner! In the meantime, I'll be making one for a friend's (formerly my) Saiga 20. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted July 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 (edited) man!!! i don't know why i didn't think about this before but i.m.a. makes a repro of the m1897 trench gun heat shield/bayo lug for about $100! all you have to do is make a couple grooves on the underside of the barrel to lock the assembly in place and knock off the bead front sight and you should be good to go. oh yeah, you'll have to either cut off the heatshield or trim it back to the gas block...i think cutting it off altogether would look better. Edited July 30, 2004 by hardcorps1775 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 (edited) Phooey, mine will be a chunk under $50... $100 for the mount, $80 for the bayonet... How about $50 (gross overestimate) for the lug and $15 for the bayo? You guys are killing me talking about spending this much... Just measure the barrel! Besides, I think the SIG bayonet looks better on the Saiga. If you guys want a real pig sticker bayonet, I'll design a mount to fit the Mauser bayonet. What say y'all? Edited July 30, 2004 by BattleRifleG3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drooling idiot 1 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Well, if SOMEONE would be so kind as to measure their barrel diameter, it would help get the product out sooner! .888 " OD anything else you want just ask. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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