vinny_land 0 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Ever since i got my saiga 7.62 last Thursday i've been wanting to have the full ak look. Im wondering which one is more accurate between a romy g AK build or a romanian wasr 10? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 The Romy G kit will be the more accurate version of the two you mention. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) Ever since i got my saiga 7.62 last Thursday i've been wanting to have the full ak look. Im wondering which one is more accurate between a romy g AK build or a romanian wasr 10? Get a lower handguard retainer and a gas tube with handguard retainers and wood furniture. Your saiga can have the REAL RUSSIAN look. But a Romy G build would be fun to do as well. Edited February 8, 2008 by Superhawk138 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinny_land 0 Posted February 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 so the wasr is out. How about saiga vs romy g when it comes to accuracy? If both are close then i'll just do a saiga conversion because it will save me the time and i will know the parts are new. the problem is that i need to either use the MMG or a bullet button/mag lock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Go for the Saiga. It's a new rifle and can be converted to look any way you like. The Romy G will be rebuilt from parts kits that came from who-knows-where and will somewhat depend on the builder as to how it comes out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinny_land 0 Posted February 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 i just finished calculating the costs between a Romy G build against a Saiga conversion and found that the Romy will cost around $300 for the basic setup without labor costs. When i mean basic it mean just enough to meet 922r standards: FCG (3), Receiver (1), Gas Piston (1). You can add 3 more parts with buttstock, handguard, and pistol grip but then the cost will probably increase from $50-150 depending on material making a grand estimate of $400 without labor. For the Saiga i found that it will be just under $400 with simple home tools. And like you said nalioth...i dont know what condition the romy g kit is and how well the builder can assemble it. At least I (the builder) can judge his own work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Pretty soon I fear the decission will have been made for you.....last of the cheap Romy G kits look to be rapidly drying up along with a lot of the barrel'd AK kits in general. If you look at most of the Big names in custom AK's (Tromix, AK 103, Krebs, and RA to name a few), they use Saiga and VEPR models as a base for their builds. That alone should say something. I also find that the WASR's are generally under rated for the price... if you know what to do to deal with any issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinny_land 0 Posted February 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I also find that the WASR's are generally under rated for the price... if you know what to do to deal with any issues. So what kind of tinkering must be done to make the WASR up to par? Im eager to listen and learn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I also find that the WASR's are generally under rated for the price... if you know what to do to deal with any issues. So what kind of tinkering must be done to make the WASR up to par? Im eager to listen and learn. If you buy one in person, you'll have no issues. Buy one without any canted front sight blocks or gas blocks. You should see the words "Tapco" on the side of the trigger, but if it's not there, it's no biggie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinny_land 0 Posted February 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Buying one in person is hard for me because not a lot of dealers in PRK sells AK's. Do you know of any reputable dealers that sell a wasr without canted sights and such? Or is it more than a 50% chance that the rifle will have the common imperfections?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Buying one in person is hard for me because not a lot of dealers in PRK sells AK's. Do you know of any reputable dealers that sell a wasr without canted sights and such? Or is it more than a 50% chance that the rifle will have the common imperfections?? It's not even that much. They import these in the hundreds of thousands. Those rifles that are 'undesirable' are gonna be here in higher numbers due to that fact. It's all in the percentages. I've got a WASR10, a WASR2 and a WASR3 that I ordered from online dealers and none have any of these problems. The vast majority of them do not. What happens is that since there are more 'bad rifles' imported by percentage, we hear more about 'bad WASRS' from folks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Yea, what nalioth said. And even if the front sight is canted, it's an easy fix. The only other issue I've seen personally is poor fit, or excessive movement in the magwell opening (Century enlarges them to accept the hi capacity mags), and WASR's have shim plates, rather than dimpled receivers. I've found that the Bulgarian waffle mags fit a bit tighter. I have an older model, I don't know if they still do this, but the barrel threads were cut to 1/2"-20. I purchased an unthreaded adapter from Chris Buttler and tapped the barrel threads in it to allow the use of an AK 74 brake (or you can stick with the slant brake that they come with). Park finish is kind of poor also, but can be top coated with the product of your choice...same goes for the stock set. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinny_land 0 Posted February 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 what kind of groups can be done at 100 yards? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 what kind of groups can be done at 100 yards? My answer to that is, "Buy a Romy G." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinny_land 0 Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 what kind of receiver do i need to use if i plan on using the G2 FCG from Tapco? I did some research on websites and found that it will not work on the NDS-3 receiver. Or is there some modification that needs to be done? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 what kind of receiver do i need to use if i plan on using the G2 FCG from Tapco? I did some research on websites and found that it will not work on the NDS-3 receiver. Or is there some modification that needs to be done? No. you are reading 'lawyer speak' for "we produced a single run of NDS-3 receivers that didn't work very well with Tapco G2 FCGs". I've built over 3 dozen NDS-3 AKs with Tapco G2s and not seen any issues. I don't think you'll have any problems with an NDS-3 and the Tapco G2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinny_land 0 Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 is that when using the singe hook trigger or the double? forgive me if i ask too many questions..i just want to do things right the first time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 is that when using the singe hook trigger or the double? forgive me if i ask too many questions..i just want to do things right the first time. The NDS-3 is set up for a single hook trigger. You may opt to cut another slot in the receiver if you with to use a double hook trigger, or you can mod one of the trigger arms to work in the receiver. Horribly disfigured (but fully functional) double hook trigger for use in a single hook receiver. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinny_land 0 Posted February 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 okay im convinced to do a romy g build. I've been browsing around different websites and narrowed it down to a few places that carry the romy g kit. Do you guys know of any reputable place that you would recommend? http://www.gunthings.com/ (click AK-47) http://www.copesdistributing.net/product_i...products_id=109 (This place increased their price from $139.99 to 149.99) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 okay im convinced to do a romy g build. I've been browsing around different websites and narrowed it down to a few places that carry the romy g kit. Do you guys know of any reputable place that you would recommend? http://www.gunthings.com/ (click AK-47) http://www.copesdistributing.net/product_i...products_id=109 (This place increased their price from $139.99 to 149.99) Both of those vendors are top drawer. Both will treat you right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rocinante 100 Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 go check out classicarms.us. They have a nice romy g rifle for 350. Basic pitch is they picked out their nicest kits, sent them to a trusted builder, used novad (sic?) receivers. I am seriously thinking about buying one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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