My 2c on an AK and vert grip

[jamesavery22 54]

Once I got my ultimak stuff in the mail I immediately put on an aimpoint and a KAC vert grip.

 

The very grip definitely helped me control recoil and muzzle rise.

 

Unfortunately I have two issues with it. For me, when I grip the front vert grip it feels like the gun is much more front heavy than it really is. If I go back to gripping the receiver and mag it feels much more balanced. Ontop of that if I have the vert grip close enough to the mag where its semi-comfortable I can no longer do admin reloads(hitting the mag lever with another mag). The mag will hit the vert grip and not drop quick enough or at all.

 

Just curious how others feel about vert grips on AKs?

Edited April 28, 2008 by jamesavery22

[22_Shooter 1,560]

I like VFG's, but I don't have one on either of my Saigas, so I can't comment on the "rock & lock" interfering with the grip. How long is the KAC? Could you maybe shorten it a little?

 

If you have any pics of your Saiga with the Ultimak lower installed, can you post some pics? I've been looking into those for awhile now.

[jamesavery22 54]

Its not so much the height/length of the grip, its that when the mag is knocked forward the floor plate smacks into the face of the grip and doesnt really fall loose from inside the receiver.

 

I've been taking lots of pics and will post them all once I finish a few things(thread the barrel and fix my canted FSB).

[22_Shooter 1,560]

Its not so much the height/length of the grip, its that when the mag is knocked forward the floor plate smacks into the face of the grip and doesnt really fall loose from inside the receiver.

 

I've been taking lots of pics and will post them all once I finish a few things(thread the barrel and fix my canted FSB).

 

OK, I see. Sounds like a VFG won't work for me on an AK then, because I'd want it really close to the mag (or even shooting my AR, I always hold the mag well), which obviously wouldn't work out well.

 

Looking forward to the pics.

[jamesavery22 54]

Here are some pics for you 22. Don't have any good light sources right now so they are pretty crappy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do appreciate all the help you've given me so pics are the least I can do.

[22_Shooter 1,560]

Damn, that looks awesome! I'm really leaning towards the Ultimak lower rail.

 

:super:

[HarvKY 72]

I can't spend time searching right now but I've seen several makes of those add-on adaptors that give you a short little section of picatinny at a 45 degree.

You can also locate one of those "stubby" vertical grips that are probably half the length of the regular versions.

 

I'll look tonight if you dont locate anything

 

Good luck

 

HarvKy

[Leo.Kermes 1]

I can't spend time searching right now but I've seen several makes of those add-on adaptors that give you a short little section of picatinny at a 45 degree.

You can also locate one of those "stubby" vertical grips that are probably half the length of the regular versions.

 

I'll look tonight if you dont locate anything

 

Good luck

 

HarvKy

yankee hill machine company makes the 45s

[22_Shooter 1,560]

I can't spend time searching right now but I've seen several makes of those add-on adaptors that give you a short little section of picatinny at a 45 degree.

You can also locate one of those "stubby" vertical grips that are probably half the length of the regular versions.

 

I'll look tonight if you dont locate anything

 

Good luck

 

HarvKy

 

Here's the YHM 45* rail Leo mentioned

 

Here's a TD stubby grip . I was thinking of getting one of these for my M4gery.

[jamesavery22 54]

Theres also always Krebs:

 

http://www.krebscustom.com/PartsPages/KalashnikovParts.shtml

 

 

Anyone use one of those? Never tried holding a grip at an angle before.

 

That is a good idea thanks HarvKY and thanks for the link 22. It would allow admin reloads. Just don't know if I'd like the feel.

[Boss Hogg 0]

Theres also always Krebs:

 

http://www.krebscustom.com/PartsPages/KalashnikovParts.shtml

 

 

Anyone use one of those? Never tried holding a grip at an angle before.

 

That is a good idea thanks HarvKY and thanks for the link 22. It would allow admin reloads. Just don't know if I'd like the feel.

 

The Krebs grip is the way to go. Get into a boxer's stance and you'll see how your wrist is naturally angled.

[HarvKY 72]

Theres also always Krebs:

 

http://www.krebscustom.com/PartsPages/KalashnikovParts.shtml

 

 

Anyone use one of those? Never tried holding a grip at an angle before.

 

That is a good idea thanks HarvKY and thanks for the link 22. It would allow admin reloads. Just don't know if I'd like the feel.

 

The Krebs grip is the way to go. Get into a boxer's stance and you'll see how your wrist is naturally angled.

 

 

Yep, thats why I mentioned it. When I get to that stage with one of mine, I plan to try it out.

 

I'm thinking it's from in my old memory banks of all the WW I/II? video and movies. What model machine gun was it that had the handle straight out to the side?

I'm having a complete brain lock. I'm sure some afficionados on here will answer quick.

 

Cheers, HarvKY

[jamesavery22 54]

Some pics of how the Ultimak lower attaches to the rifle:

 

left side of the two sets of "C" clamps

 

to the right of the big hole is where the threads of the HG are. you can see the tip of the bolt

 

 

you can see the lever inside the HG and where its hinged

 

hex bolt right next to the stock hole for the stock HG

 

There are two sets of "C"s that clamp around the front of the barrel right behind the GasBlock. The front set of "C"s has no threading. The bold goes straight through and screws into the HG.

The rear set of "C"s does not bolt into the HG. The bottom "C" has threads and they just pinch around the barrel. There are pockets in both sides of the HG where the two sides of the "C"s sit in. Prevents the HG from moving back and forth.

The rear of the handguard is weird... There is a lever of sorts. After you put the HG in place there is a lip that sits inside the receiver(comes with little adapters so it fits stamped and milled). Its held there by the lever being pressed into the bottom of the front trunnion. The lever is wedged open/into the trunnion by a large bolt with a hex head.

 

Hope that answers anyone's questions

[Threecard 15]

Theres also always Krebs:

 

http://www.krebscustom.com/PartsPages/KalashnikovParts.shtml

 

 

Anyone use one of those? Never tried holding a grip at an angle before.

 

That is a good idea thanks HarvKY and thanks for the link 22. It would allow admin reloads. Just don't know if I'd like the feel.

 

The Krebs grip is the way to go. Get into a boxer's stance and you'll see how your wrist is naturally angled.

 

 

Yep, thats why I mentioned it. When I get to that stage with one of mine, I plan to try it out.

 

I'm thinking it's from in my old memory banks of all the WW I/II? video and movies. What model machine gun was it that had the handle straight out to the side?

I'm having a complete brain lock. I'm sure some afficionados on here will answer quick.

 

Cheers, HarvKY

I believe that was the Sten.

[22_Shooter 1,560]

James, if you get a minute, can you snap some shots with the rail covers not on? Please .

[jamesavery22 54]

quick one

 

[Cobra 76 two 2,677]

Good looking rifle James!

 

Here, I enhanced your pics some so we can see em.

 

 

 

[jamesavery22 54]

Thanks Cobra,

I plan to take some time and take some quality pics when I finish

[22_Shooter 1,560]

Aww man that thing looks niiiiiiiiiice! :up:

[Gemmons 23]

I too like the looks of the Ultimak hand guard so where can I find these? I was going to go with the UTG, but now after seeing the Ultimak I may have changed my mind. How much is the Ultimak? Is it American made?

[Vultite 57]

awesome post james, i wonder if the compact verison of that works the same way and doesn't need the retainer still

Edited April 29, 2008 by Vultite

[jamesavery22 54]

The compact attaches in the same fashion:

 

http://www.ultimak.com/ACR2Compact.htm

 

you can see the two pockets where those "C" clamps rest on the inside of the HG. on the outside you can also see the threaded hole.

 

 

edit---

 

22, thanks for asking me to take pics without the covers I like the look better actually... But still have to use covers. I'm going to get some ladder style covers and see how that works out.

Edited April 30, 2008 by jamesavery22

[22_Shooter 1,560]

I too like the looks of the Ultimak hand guard so where can I find these? I was going to go with the UTG, but now after seeing the Ultimak I may have changed my mind. How much is the Ultimak? Is it American made?

 

I was gonna recommend Blackjack Buffers, but it looks like they're sold out of Ultimak lower rails. Just google it, and you should be able to find 'em. They run around $200 for the lower rail, and yes, they're made in the good ol' USA.

 

22, thanks for asking me to take pics without the covers I like the look better actually... But still have to use covers. I'm going to get some ladder style covers and see how that works out.

 

No problem . I've always like the look of exposed rails. But I agree, some ladder type covers would like better, IMO.