crucified 2 Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 where exactly is the "battle position" on the ak iron sights? my saiga still has the stock rear sight leaf (marked 1-3). is the battle position at 1? or is it clicked all the way back where it sits a little elevated? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CheepJerokee 0 Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 My understanding is that "BP" is flat, no elevated.........so teh target can be gained quickly. But then....How many people her actually practice live fire in standing, kneeling and prone positions...Not just sitting in a chair at the range. (Even the Law Enforcement guys look at me funny when I practice kneeling and prone.) But it sure would suck to have to fire from that position and never had practiced it before! You current Enlisted guys correct me if I'm wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crucified 2 Posted June 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 i'm referring to the position on the sights themselves. it's my understanding that on ak's its marked with a letter/symbol instead of a number. this is the standard placement for the sights. my saiga has no such letter/marking on the rear sight leaf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CheepJerokee 0 Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 The Saiga has no marking,(Designed to be a civilian "hunting" weapon.) just the 100, 200, 300 marking. The"zero" elevation should be right. When firing at 30 -50 yards (Which is the primary combat engagement range.), zero elev. functions for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AZsaiga 0 Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 where exactly is the "battle position" on the ak iron sights?my saiga still has the stock rear sight leaf (marked 1-3). is the battle position at 1? or is it clicked all the way back where it sits a little elevated? All the way back and elevated is my understanding. should be the same elevation as the 300m setting or there abouts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 The military sight leafs usually have some sort of lettering nearest the sight notch, on the left side, sometimes in Cyrillic, and that is the battle position (yes, about 300m.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shellshock1918 1 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 My understanding is that "BP" is flat, no elevated.........so teh target can be gained quickly.But then....How many people her actually practice live fire in standing, kneeling and prone positions...Not just sitting in a chair at the range. (Even the Law Enforcement guys look at me funny when I practice kneeling and prone.) But it sure would suck to have to fire from that position and never had practiced it before! You current Enlisted guys correct me if I'm wrong. I almost always shoot standing up with every rifle I have. I shoot a lot of my older WWII era riles from the kneeling position. Especially my SMLE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crunchy53 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 i always shoot standing or crouched, sitting in a chair with the rifle on the table just seems wierd to me. im at the range to practice shtf not competition shooting so thats why i shoot that way. ill try prone next time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CheepJerokee 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 i always shoot standing or crouched, sitting in a chair with the rifle on the table just seems wierd to me. im at the range to practice shtf not competition shooting so thats why i shoot that way. ill try prone next time. EXACTLY..............Thats why I like kneeling and prone...........I'm a much smaller target! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 To get back on topic, any other thoughts on the battle position on the sight leaf? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crucified 2 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 from the ULTIMAK website: http://www.ultimak.com/AKST.htm "Both the AK and the SKS have a rear sight position (elevation slide all the way to the rear) intended for use as an all-purpose "battle position", which is equal to the 300 meter setting farther forward on the slide." tritium was correct. thank you sir! any ideas why the saiga sight leafs didn't get the letter or cyrillic marking stamped? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 any ideas why the saiga sight leafs didn't get the letter or cyrillic marking stamped? The Saigas, being 'sporter' models, would not have a 'battle position' on their sight leaves, I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crucified 2 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 so a "hunting" carbine would never find itself needing to "battle"? i always just shot it from the 1 (100 meter) setting. what difference in accuracy might i expect at the "0" position? does it work out well for everybody here? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vultite 57 Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 i have always shot mine with the leaf "level" or at "0" and its accurate for me, i shoot standing, kneeling, behind objects and its about accurate as your gonna get for a saiga....good gun, definatly "battle" worthy if your using proper mags Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 so a "hunting" carbine would never find itself needing to "battle"? Think point being it's contrary to a sporting/hunting rifle to come with a fixed distance 300m combat position unless you intend on engaging your deer/whatever at that distance only. Figure you can shoot for sport at closer distances since the animal likely won't be shooting back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CheepJerokee 0 Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I'm pretty sure we have discussed the uselessness of this weapon at 300 meters...............Wasn't it designed for much closer quarters? 30 to 50 yards , like the AR/M 16? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acman145acp 0 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) I'm pretty sure we have discussed the uselessness of this weapon at 300 meters...............Wasn't it designed for much closer quarters? 30 to 50 yards , like the AR/M 16? You are kidding correct? I mean ak's aren't precision rifles but i wouldn't go so far as to say they are useles at 300 meters(if your talking what the weapon was designed for)...... and AR's are a far cry from limited to 30-50yrds..... Like some of the other guys i shoot prone standing etc I guess they just didn't bother engraving the top portion of the sights on the saiga or did it for sporting issues...... all the notches are on the bottom just like my other ak's .... seems strange sense that seems like it would take a seperate run of parts..... Edited June 12, 2008 by acman145acp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slippery 0 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) I'm pretty sure we have discussed the uselessness of this weapon at 300 meters...............Wasn't it designed for much closer quarters? 30 to 50 yards , like the AR/M 16? I think you will find that both types of rifles are generally on at 300m if they are on at 50m. Also both the 5.56 x 45 and the 7.62 x 39 generate sufficient energy at 300m to be quite effective. The 5.56 may be a little more "surgical" from an accuracy standpoint but both will get the job done. By the way new guy here so feel free to squat all over my opinion. Hi Doc. Three guesses who I am. LOL Edited June 12, 2008 by Otto's Dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slippery 0 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) Wow!!! I'm a little rusty at this forum stuff. Edited June 12, 2008 by Otto's Dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rangerdavid 6 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 so to be truly authentic and have an accurate conversion, we should replace the non-threatening hunting rear sight with a "real" AK sight? that's what I'm hearing here.... thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Hi Doc. Three guesses who I am. LOL Yes John I did look at that name with a bit of suspicion. Welcome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 so to be truly authentic and have an accurate conversion, we should replace the non-threatening hunting rear sight with a "real" AK sight? that's what I'm hearing here.... thoughts? I'd say so, and depending on whichh type of AK you have, it'd be either an 800m or 1000m sight leaf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rus14 0 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 where exactly is the "battle position" on the ak iron sights? my saiga still has the stock rear sight leaf (marked 1-3). is the battle position at 1? or is it clicked all the way back where it sits a little elevated? [/quote have you got your question answered? "battle" sight position means pulled ALL THE WAY BACK. It is designed to be able to hit somewhere on the man-size target at 100 yards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AZsaiga 0 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 I have been away for a few days and have not reposted I see that you have got the Info This thread took a long and winding road LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crucified 2 Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 thank you all for your help. the battle position is found! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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