JDNJ1985 0 Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I have a seen a couple of adapters out there. What do you think the best option is for this? Due to having a pistol grip in NJ, I cannot have a threaded barrel too. What are my options? thanks -Joe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDNJ1985 0 Posted August 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Better yet, a part that is American made would be nice. -Joe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 This is actually exactly what you're looking for - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=26908&hl= . But I checked his site, and I didn't see them. Maybe you can get a hold of him to see when they are coming out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDNJ1985 0 Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Cool, thanks! -Joe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmh151 0 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 This is actually exactly what you're looking for - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=26908&hl= . But I checked his site, and I didn't see them. Maybe you can get a hold of him to see when they are coming out. No offence, but I wouldn't hold my breath on DPH's muzzle brake. I placed my order in May, and have yet to receive it. I called him twice since then, and was told their machinist would be machinining a batch the following week to go out for delivery. I never saw the brakes go back on the web site, and never received mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDNJ1985 0 Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 This is actually exactly what you're looking for - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=26908&hl= . But I checked his site, and I didn't see them. Maybe you can get a hold of him to see when they are coming out. No offence, but I wouldn't hold my breath on DPH's muzzle brake. I placed my order in May, and have yet to receive it. I called him twice since then, and was told their machinist would be machinining a batch the following week to go out for delivery. I never saw the brakes go back on the web site, and never received mine. Damn, that sucks. I won't be ordering for a little while anyway actually. -Joe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 This is actually exactly what you're looking for - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=26908&hl= . But I checked his site, and I didn't see them. Maybe you can get a hold of him to see when they are coming out. No offence, but I wouldn't hold my breath on DPH's muzzle brake. I placed my order in May, and have yet to receive it. I called him twice since then, and was told their machinist would be machinining a batch the following week to go out for delivery. I never saw the brakes go back on the web site, and never received mine. Yeah, I checked too, and didn't see them. But this is exactly what the OP needs, so hopefully they start selling them soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moxie1c 3 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 I have a seen a couple of adapters out there. What do you think the best option is for this? Due to having a pistol grip in NJ, I cannot have a threaded barrel too. What are my options? thanks -Joe Could you thread it and then weld, silver solder, or blind pin it? OR is even a permanent brake out of the question in Jersey? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDNJ1985 0 Posted August 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I have a seen a couple of adapters out there. What do you think the best option is for this? Due to having a pistol grip in NJ, I cannot have a threaded barrel too. What are my options? thanks -Joe Could you thread it and then weld, silver solder, or blind pin it? OR is even a permanent brake out of the question in Jersey? Not really sure about that, I just know that a threaded barrel is a no no. -Joe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moxie1c 3 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Yeah, I am not up on NJ laws but since it will be permanganate attached.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 If it's anything like NY, you can have the barrel threaded, and then have a brake permanently attached, per the methods Moxie listed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
larain60 0 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I have a seen a couple of adapters out there. What do you think the best option is for this? Due to having a pistol grip in NJ, I cannot have a threaded barrel too. What are my options? Dinzag sold me a tack welded a muzzle brake on a new FSB (with cleaning rod holder). Was very reasonable cost (far far less than having the barrel threaded then brake welded on). Reach out to him he can help. Great guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDNJ1985 0 Posted August 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I have a seen a couple of adapters out there. What do you think the best option is for this? Due to having a pistol grip in NJ, I cannot have a threaded barrel too. What are my options? Dinzag sold me a tack welded a muzzle brake on a new FSB (with cleaning rod holder). Was very reasonable cost (far far less than having the barrel threaded then brake welded on). Reach out to him he can help. Great guy. Thanks for the replies guys. That makes sense I guess, if it is welded. I love the look of your Saiga. Would you mind going into details about the furniture, grip? That is the 15 round mag right? Which one would you recommend? There don't seem to be tons of options out there for 15 round mags. -Joe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDNJ1985 0 Posted August 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I have a seen a couple of adapters out there. What do you think the best option is for this? Due to having a pistol grip in NJ, I cannot have a threaded barrel too. What are my options? Dinzag sold me a tack welded a muzzle brake on a new FSB (with cleaning rod holder). Was very reasonable cost (far far less than having the barrel threaded then brake welded on). Reach out to him he can help. Great guy. Thanks for the replies guys. That makes sense I guess, if it is welded. I love the look of your Saiga. Would you mind going into details about the furniture, grip? That is the 15 round mag right? Which one would you recommend? There don't seem to be tons of options out there for 15 round mags. -Joe Is that actually a flash suppressor though? I can't have one if I'm using a pistol grip. Ughhhh. -Joe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDNJ1985 0 Posted August 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I have a seen a couple of adapters out there. What do you think the best option is for this? Due to having a pistol grip in NJ, I cannot have a threaded barrel too. What are my options? Dinzag sold me a tack welded a muzzle brake on a new FSB (with cleaning rod holder). Was very reasonable cost (far far less than having the barrel threaded then brake welded on). Reach out to him he can help. Great guy. Thanks for the replies guys. That makes sense I guess, if it is welded. I love the look of your Saiga. Would you mind going into details about the furniture, grip? That is the 15 round mag right? Which one would you recommend? There don't seem to be tons of options out there for 15 round mags. -Joe Is that actually a flash suppressor though? I can't have one if I'm using a pistol grip. Ughhhh. -Joe One more newb question: Whats does FSB stand for? Please don't throw any tomatoes at me... -Joe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 (edited) One more newb question: Whats does FSB stand for? Please don't throw any tomatoes at me... Front Sight Block. Edited August 30, 2008 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDNJ1985 0 Posted August 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 One more newb question: Whats does FSB stand for? Please don't throw any tomatoes at me... Front Sight Block. Thanks! -Joe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moxie1c 3 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Is that actually a flash suppressor though? I can't have one if I'm using a pistol grip. Ughhhh. -Joe No, it is a muzzle brake and here is the way that Bob Ash so very well explained it to me. A muzzle brake has slots that are perpendicular to the barrel. A flash hider has slots that are parallel to the barrel. Muzzle Brake Flash Hider Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDNJ1985 0 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Is that actually a flash suppressor though? I can't have one if I'm using a pistol grip. Ughhhh. -Joe No, it is a muzzle brake and here is the way that Bob Ash so very well explained it to me. A muzzle brake has slots that are perpendicular to the barrel. A flash hider has slots that are parallel to the barrel. Muzzle Brake Flash Hider Thanks for the clarification! -Joe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
larain60 0 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) Joe, thanks for the compliment. I actually have this site to thank for all the help! - Furniture - KVar black Nato length stock kit (US parts). - (bought at KVar). All the following purchased from Dinzag - Front sight base, threads turned down (no bayo lug), muzzle brake welded on, barrel pin to press new FSB on - Tapco G2 trigger kit modded for saiga - bullet guide kit - Lower handguard retainer - bolt on - Ak gas tube - Cleaning rod For magazines, Im going with either double stack Chinese 10 rounders, or modded 30 to 15 rounders (cut down 30's) - touch up paint for bottom of receiver- youll need it after you cut off trigger guard etc from stock saiga (BBQ high heat touch up paint - think its rustoleum) Hope this helps - IM me if you need any help. Edited August 31, 2008 by Larain60 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Can you use a threaded adapter? I used to have one on my Saiga until I threaded my barrel. It was held by four set screws which had Loctite on the threads. One time it shot off and I had to go 30 yards downrange to retrieve it. I later reinstalled it with super glue which held it in place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Is that actually a flash suppressor though? I can't have one if I'm using a pistol grip. Ughhhh. -Joe No, it is a muzzle brake and here is the way that Bob Ash so very well explained it to me. A muzzle brake has slots that are perpendicular to the barrel. A flash hider has slots that are parallel to the barrel. Muzzle Brake Flash Hider Damn, that's a good way to tell. I've never thought about it that way. I always went on the fact that brakes have an inner diameter almost the same size as the bore, while the inner diameter of a FH is opened up. About 15 round mags, I remember reading you could use these - http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?Id=6adb...16-525485097a84 in your factory 10 round mags, and it would now hold 15 rounds. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bulla 0 Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 (edited) This is actually exactly what you're looking for - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=26908&hl= . But I checked his site, and I didn't see them. Maybe you can get a hold of him to see when they are coming out. No offence, but I wouldn't hold my breath on DPH's muzzle brake. I placed my order in May, and have yet to receive it. I called him twice since then, and was told their machinist would be machinining a batch the following week to go out for delivery. I never saw the brakes go back on the web site, and never received mine. That makes 2 of us, more people as well i'm sure. It's going on 4 months now, i want my money back. Edited September 1, 2008 by Bulla Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dph arms 88 Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 This is actually exactly what you're looking for - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=26908&hl= . But I checked his site, and I didn't see them. Maybe you can get a hold of him to see when they are coming out. No offence, but I wouldn't hold my breath on DPH's muzzle brake. I placed my order in May, and have yet to receive it. I called him twice since then, and was told their machinist would be machinining a batch the following week to go out for delivery. I never saw the brakes go back on the web site, and never received mine. No offense taken on my part.....the one thing I cant control is the shop that we use. They give us CNC time just like all of their other customers. We did not fore see the problems with the original design and therefore the CNC time that we had ran out on us. The new design is there and it is rock solid. I talked to the shop last week and they are telling me that they should be running them in the next 2 weeks. Again, I cant control that. If this were something that we were not going to do....I would let everyone know. Just give us a few more weeks. Scott Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moxie1c 3 Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Thanks for the reply Scott. It is nice to see you on here and getting the word out. Amen on the machine shop though....every order they get is always a "priority" order for someone. Ive got a shop engine shop down the street and they run a dyno too. Man, that place is always hopping and there are always guys looking to get some time in there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmh151 0 Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 This is actually exactly what you're looking for - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=26908&hl= . But I checked his site, and I didn't see them. Maybe you can get a hold of him to see when they are coming out. No offence, but I wouldn't hold my breath on DPH's muzzle brake. I placed my order in May, and have yet to receive it. I called him twice since then, and was told their machinist would be machinining a batch the following week to go out for delivery. I never saw the brakes go back on the web site, and never received mine. No offense taken on my part.....the one thing I cant control is the shop that we use. They give us CNC time just like all of their other customers. We did not fore see the problems with the original design and therefore the CNC time that we had ran out on us. The new design is there and it is rock solid. I talked to the shop last week and they are telling me that they should be running them in the next 2 weeks. Again, I cant control that. If this were something that we were not going to do....I would let everyone know. Just give us a few more weeks. Scott OK. Thanks for the response. I'm really looking forward to the brake once it comes in, I have my order in already, and will probably be ordering the flash hider once that comes in as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dph arms 88 Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 This is actually exactly what you're looking for - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=26908&hl= . But I checked his site, and I didn't see them. Maybe you can get a hold of him to see when they are coming out. No offence, but I wouldn't hold my breath on DPH's muzzle brake. I placed my order in May, and have yet to receive it. I called him twice since then, and was told their machinist would be machinining a batch the following week to go out for delivery. I never saw the brakes go back on the web site, and never received mine. No offense taken on my part.....the one thing I cant control is the shop that we use. They give us CNC time just like all of their other customers. We did not fore see the problems with the original design and therefore the CNC time that we had ran out on us. The new design is there and it is rock solid. I talked to the shop last week and they are telling me that they should be running them in the next 2 weeks. Again, I cant control that. If this were something that we were not going to do....I would let everyone know. Just give us a few more weeks. Scott OK. Thanks for the response. I'm really looking forward to the brake once it comes in, I have my order in already, and will probably be ordering the flash hider once that comes in as well. I talked to the shop today and he said he will deliver them to me at the Charlotte Gun Show on the 14th of this month...........not much longer. scott Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SJgunguy 5 Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 (edited) About 15 round mags, I remember reading you could use these - http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?Id=6adb...16-525485097a84 in your factory 10 round mags, and it would now hold 15 rounds. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. If you don't want to buy those followers you can cut yours down. The rear of the follower should be marked at 1" thats from the flat area of the top of the follower. Mark the front at 3/4" where the follower is open, now connect the lines and cut .(I used tin snips) The pointy things in the plastic inner base plate need to go. Now trim the spring,as I count 14 coils one side 15 other side,cut to 8-9. Slap that back together and your GTG. I tested mine and it runs good and tapco aint got my cash. This works on factory 10 rd 7.62X39 only!!!! If you try this mod on another type of mag and fuck it up please don't blame me. You should of payed more attention when taking them apart. Now I have heard some of the mags have little guide rails for the follower so don't cut down that far. Edited September 4, 2008 by SJgunguy24 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gman1253 0 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 About 15 round mags, I remember reading you could use these - http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?Id=6adb...16-525485097a84 in your factory 10 round mags, and it would now hold 15 rounds. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. If you don't want to buy those followers you can cut yours down. The rear of the follower should be marked at 1" thats from the flat area of the top of the follower. Mark the front at 3/4" where the follower is open, now connect the lines and cut .(I used tin snips) The pointy things in the plastic inner base plate need to go. Now trim the spring,as I count 14 coils one side 15 other side,cut to 8-9. Slap that back together and your GTG. I tested mine and it runs good and tapco aint got my cash. This works on factory 10 rd 7.62X39 only!!!! If you try this mod on another type of mag and fuck it up please don't blame me. You should of payed more attention when taking them apart. Now I have heard some of the mags have little guide rails for the follower so don't cut down that far. Any update on news the non- threaded muzzle break ? Thanks - Manny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dph arms 88 Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 We have a working prototype but it is too bulky. I just sent a new CAD model to the shop today and they agree that we need to try it out. Hopefully I will have that sample next week. I'll keep you guys updated. Scott Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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