jabara572 3 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 I cant find any info on this. What would it take to mount the shorter AK type (as opposed to the saiga version) quad rails onto a Saiga? I like the UTG rails but i dont like how the saiga version is so much longer. can someone who has the shorter UTG quad rails tell me how they installed it on a saiga, or how exactly they attach to a standard AK? thanks in advance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kope007 14 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 I haven't tried it, but I guess it would not be unlike putting any standard AK handguard on a saiga. You probably just need handguard retainers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smartbomb 133 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 i tried and it will not work. the utg for the ak will not clear the barrel and gas tube on the saiga. the utg49 (i think) uses 4 screws to friction grip the upper and lower halves and is just too small inside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 it works u just have to remove the shield on the gastube. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quikz 1 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I have the 'short' UTG Quad Rail. #478 is for the 7.62 and #479 is for thicker barrels. If I remember correctly.... You'd need to take the shield off on you existing Saiga, as was said. But what I did was, I bought a Dinzag gastube already modified to pop right on a Saiga. Fortunately I rec'd a ported gas tube which I promptly installed and mounted the UTG. With this UTG, you DO NOT need a front barrel clamp. The UTG is SOLID and does not need one. That said, it would look slightly better, or more finished off, with a Dinzag front grip barrel clamp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 You could replace the Saiga Gas Tube with an AK Gas Tube Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jabara572 3 Posted September 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I have the 'short' UTG Quad Rail. #478 is for the 7.62 and #479 is for thicker barrels. If I remember correctly.... You'd need to take the shield off on you existing Saiga, as was said. But what I did was, I bought a Dinzag gastube already modified to pop right on a Saiga. Fortunately I rec'd a ported gas tube which I promptly installed and mounted the UTG. With this UTG, you DO NOT need a front barrel clamp. The UTG is SOLID and does not need one. That said, it would look slightly better, or more finished off, with a Dinzag front grip barrel clamp. Ok so its just like the saiga version and clamps top to bottom for a friction fit only, if i understand you correctly. Has anyone ever had problems with these crushing the gas tubes or distorting them to the point they dont work? The gas tube seems pretty thin to be clamping down on really hard. Thanks for the information guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 yes u can cause issues just dnt over tighten it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
usmc_mwroseberry 0 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I have one on mine. I got a vented gas tube at a gun show for about $18 and then my rail set. Works great you just have to unbolt the top plate every time you remove the gas tube for cleaning. By mwroseberry, shot with FinePix F480 at 2009-06-05 Good luck, Merritt SGT USMC vet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dperk789 0 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 it works u just have to remove the shield on the gastube. +1 I have the smaller utg rail on my saiga with no problems, just removed the gastube shield painted it to match and it slides right on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
norinco982lover 6 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I guess I'm not understanding. So you HAVE to remove your shield and leave it off? ~Norinco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
n102788 6 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I guess I'm not understanding. So you HAVE to remove your shield and leave it off? ~Norinco the piece of sheet metal that covers the top of the gas tube has to be removed then you are good to go Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jabara572 3 Posted September 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Thanks for the pic usmc_mwroseberry, its hard to find good pictures of the rails attached. I already removed my heat shield from my gas tube because i hated how it looked. Ive only got one more question, I get that the retainers are not required to install these rails, but do they do anything to assist with the fore/aft retention? Basically im trying to decide if its worth it to get another gas tube with the upper hand guard retainer, especially if they would keep the hand guard from sliding forward in the event it losses up, but i cant tell if the UTG rail just completely bypasses over it or not, know what i mean? Thanks again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smartbomb 133 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 well dip me in s@%t. i will have to try this. i suppose this includes the 308 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 no utg rail will fit the 308 saiga with out major modding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
usmc_mwroseberry 0 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Thanks for the pic usmc_mwroseberry, its hard to find good pictures of the rails attached. I already removed my heat shield from my gas tube because i hated how it looked. Ive only got one more question, I get that the retainers are not required to install these rails, but do they do anything to assist with the fore/aft retention? Basically im trying to decide if its worth it to get another gas tube with the upper hand guard retainer, especially if they would keep the hand guard from sliding forward in the event it losses up, but i cant tell if the UTG rail just completely bypasses over it or not, know what i mean? Thanks again If I was you I'd go with the standard AK gas tube with the retainer. Especially if you're mounting optics or a grip. Without the retainer your grip may slide forward. And I don't like installing any part on my rifle that I'm afraid may fail on me at any point. Good luck, Merritt SGT USMC vet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jabara572 3 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Thanks for the pic usmc_mwroseberry, its hard to find good pictures of the rails attached. I already removed my heat shield from my gas tube because i hated how it looked. Ive only got one more question, I get that the retainers are not required to install these rails, but do they do anything to assist with the fore/aft retention? Basically im trying to decide if its worth it to get another gas tube with the upper hand guard retainer, especially if they would keep the hand guard from sliding forward in the event it losses up, but i cant tell if the UTG rail just completely bypasses over it or not, know what i mean? Thanks again If I was you I'd go with the standard AK gas tube with the retainer. Especially if you're mounting optics or a grip. Without the retainer your grip may slide forward. And I don't like installing any part on my rifle that I'm afraid may fail on me at any point. Good luck, Merritt SGT USMC vet. I gotcha, so the upper handguard retainer DOES keep the rail from sliding forward. Thats just what I needed to know, ill have to pick up another gas tube Thanks for the info. I might just grab the short rail and run it until I can pick up another gas tube which will make it more secure. Thanks again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
usmc_mwroseberry 0 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Thanks for the pic usmc_mwroseberry, its hard to find good pictures of the rails attached. I already removed my heat shield from my gas tube because i hated how it looked. Ive only got one more question, I get that the retainers are not required to install these rails, but do they do anything to assist with the fore/aft retention? Basically im trying to decide if its worth it to get another gas tube with the upper hand guard retainer, especially if they would keep the hand guard from sliding forward in the event it losses up, but i cant tell if the UTG rail just completely bypasses over it or not, know what i mean? Thanks again If I was you I'd go with the standard AK gas tube with the retainer. Especially if you're mounting optics or a grip. Without the retainer your grip may slide forward. And I don't like installing any part on my rifle that I'm afraid may fail on me at any point. Good luck, Merritt SGT USMC vet. I gotcha, so the upper handguard retainer DOES keep the rail from sliding forward. Thats just what I needed to know, ill have to pick up another gas tube Thanks for the info. I might just grab the short rail and run it until I can pick up another gas tube which will make it more secure. Thanks again. Anytime that's why we are here..... I was asking the same questions at one point and time. And was kinda scared to do my conversion at one point also. But this Saiga has created a monster... Good luck, Merritt SGT USMC vet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jabara572 3 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Can anyone tell me if im supposed to get the #478 or the #479? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jabara572 3 Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Can anyone tell me if im supposed to get the #478 or the #479? well, i measured my barrel and it comes out to 0.675 in, which seems like it would be the smaller of the two, since the oversize barrel is suppose to be .709 or something like that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jabara572 3 Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) double post Edited September 11, 2009 by jabara572 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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