byram 0 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Hi guys, I am very new to Saigas, and this is my first post, I want to build a gun and customize it, and as such I have a few questions... I'm going to try and post without breaking the "No links if not a sponsor" rule Ace Ltd. sells what is labeled as Saiga Fixed M4M Six Position Stock Set, has anyone purchased these and how well do they work? I am also considering purchasing a UTG side rail mount from Cheaper than Dirt, again, same question, has anyone purchased these and how well do they work? If I am violating any forum rules I am very sorry... Byram Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehopping1 105 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 No, not breaking any rules. But I would run screaming from what is in that pic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ae13291 3 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 avoid buying the furniture for tha saiga. do the restoration back to AK config. that way you can buy whatever you want for an AK rifle, it does not need to be saiga specific, it will be much cheaper that way too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 If I am violating any forum rules I am very sorry... Yes, you are breaking rule #1 of the Commandments of Saiga. Convert! Those stocks have awful balance and don't address the trigger. They are a waste compared to a real conversion. You want an M4 style stock? Buy this. Trust me man. There are dozens of people here who will help you with the conversion process, as well as multiple in depth videos. It requires only a few hours and some basic tools. http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-450/SAIGA-RIFLE-CONVERSION-KIT/Detail One of those, and a flat or round trunion bullet guide is all you need. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sailor 6 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 I have two UTG side rail mounts, and find them to be as advertised. Tight fit, no loss of zero by removing and remounting. As with all order items, shop around before you buy - same item at different outlets = different price. Also, I have only quick-release mounts. Bolt-on mounts run around $5 less. I also second the "correct" conversion - you will appreciate your rifle more when you upgrade it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
byram 0 Posted May 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Thanks for the advice guys, I have read Dinzig's tutorial on how to convert the Saiga, but I have a problem with it. I honestly think it is beyond my capability in terms of gunsmithing, my concern is I would not reassemble the parts correctly (such as the internals). There are a few other problems but, I would not prefer to disclose those, I want to make sure my gun is legal for my state. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rmptben 9 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 id go thru hell and high water to try and convert correctly.that stock and grip combo i would never use.id rather have either of the stock stocks.svd or regular Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 After the guts 'fall-out' and you dremel the 3 bottom rivets off. The new stuff literally drops in. The FCG gets assembled before you put it back in (on the sleeve/tube) and the hammer gets the spring 'twist-tied' on then that drops in also. Pop in the gray pins and retainer plate and your done. Depending on your state certain people on here if your close to them will assist you. What state you in?? Alot of people here are from BAN states, but are STATE complaint.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theboz 6 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Thanks for the advice guys, I have read Dinzig's tutorial on how to convert the Saiga, but I have a problem with it. I honestly think it is beyond my capability in terms of gunsmithing, my concern is I would not reassemble the parts correctly (such as the internals). There are a few other problems but, I would not prefer to disclose those, I want to make sure my gun is legal for my state. it really is easier than you would think. i figured i would put things in wrong, but really there is only one way for it all to fit and function. if you have to take it back apart it makes you that much more familiar with the gun for future purposes. check on this video, and listen to some of the people on this board. if you run into issues post up and ppl will help. like stated above basic dis-assembly, grind 3 rivets, pull things out, drop back in, re-assemble. tada! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
byram 0 Posted May 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 thanks gents, I did further research and found this video (from another thread here): and it makes it look very easy... so I will give the conversion a go... again thanks gents! I'll post pics when I'm done maybe do a WIP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nycGUNguy 61 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 There is a member here who is selling one and he is in need. Try to help him out. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=54072&view=getnewpost&hl=&fromsearch=1 nyclu3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cobravenom39 17 Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 I have NO EXPERIENCE WITH GUNS and just got done doing my conversion and included the BHO, which some say is very hard to do. I read tons of threads and took my time and it went soooo smoothly. It was AWESOME now I know everything about the gun. BTW THANK EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU FROM DISDAINING THE SAIGA FURNITURE AND PUSHING THE FULL CONVERSION!!!! Oh and another BTW, why does everyone hate Tapco? I installed their six pos stock and grip and it's tight and feels ultra sturdy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abra-cadaver 3 Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 I have NO EXPERIENCE WITH GUNS and just got done doing my conversion and included the BHO, which some say is very hard to do. I read tons of threads and took my time and it went soooo smoothly. It was AWESOME now I know everything about the gun. BTW THANK EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU FROM DISDAINING THE SAIGA FURNITURE AND PUSHING THE FULL CONVERSION!!!! Oh and another BTW, why does everyone hate Tapco? I installed their six pos stock and grip and it's tight and feels ultra sturdy. Tapco in my opinion does not deserve alot of the crap that they get. Thier stuff isn't always top of the line, but its usually really good for what you pay. To some people though anything less than the best is just offensive. Tapco provides american made products that would otherwise be out of reach to people with more limited budgets, and I think thats pretty noble. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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