NwShooter503 0 Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) I am looking for the parts that are usually excluded from the complete guns before import so I know they are hard to find, I have been spending weeks looking online without much luck, I can find the pistol grip and buttstock but it's plum not black, rusmilitary is constantly sold out, kvar and other big sites only have crapco and other american made or bulgarian parts 1. Complete Russian trigger group AK74 2. Black Pistol grip 3. Black synthetic buttstock (not plum, not bulgarian must be russian) 4. Russian muzzle brake 24x1.5 5. Izzy Bayonet type 3 Edited November 15, 2010 by NwShooter503 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 While I cannot help you with the allocation of the parts you requested, I can say that in the states, legally you will need at least to compromise with having a few American parts due to the bs 922r. In a nutshell as I understand it you are limited to 10 foreign parts. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NwShooter503 0 Posted November 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 While I cannot help you with the allocation of the parts you requested, I can say that in the states, legally you will need at least to compromise with having a few American parts due to the bs 922r. In a nutshell as I understand it you are limited to 10 foreign parts. yes I understand, however I just want the parts to sit on my coffee table for decoration so the law really does not apply towards my intended use Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 When the Russians switched from plum in the early 90's they went to a folding stock AK74M and the black poly's stocks are all folders on their service rifles. They probably made fixed stocks for civilian or export contracts but I don't think I've ever seen one for sale. The brakes are readily available on Gunbroker, with a little searching you can find Russian grips too. Z 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
essohbe 47 Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Nice avatar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamesavery22 54 Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Rusky and Bulgy FA trigger groups are always on Gunbroker. FYI though I've heard of weird laws around purchasing/owning those. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob-cubed 74 Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Hang out over on theAKforum.net too. Russian stuff gets posted regularly there. But, you will pay dearly for some of it and as another poster mentioned, I don't recall ever seeing a Russian black fixed poly stock. They went from wood to plum and then to the newer folding 100-series stocks. There may have been limited numbers produced (like the transitional black poly mags) but you'll pay dearly for them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NwShooter503 0 Posted November 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) Hang out over on theAKforum.net too. Russian stuff gets posted regularly there. But, you will pay dearly for some of it and as another poster mentioned, I don't recall ever seeing a Russian black fixed poly stock. They went from wood to plum and then to the newer folding 100-series stocks. There may have been limited numbers produced (like the transitional black poly mags) but you'll pay dearly for them. ok thanks, I guess the next step would be buying a plum and dye or rattle can it black, I can find the other bits and pieces wait thats it!!!! buy the plum stock but only color it with russian dye or paint! Edited November 15, 2010 by NwShooter503 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob-cubed 74 Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Why paint a plum? The paint will eventually chip off and look like @ss. The black poly Bulgarian stocks are identical to the Russian plums, just in black. K-VAR's US copy is almost identical, plus being a compliance part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Why paint a plum? The paint will eventually chip off and look like @ss. The black poly Bulgarian stocks are identical to the Russian plums, just in black. K-VAR's US copy is almost identical, plus being a compliance part. What does logic matter he is just going to sit them on his coffee table to stare at anyway 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 What does logic matter he is just going to sit them on his coffee table to stare at anyway If he's going to paint a plum, he ends up with a stock the Russians never issued in the first place, so whats the difference between getting a US made identical black stock, or painting a Russian plum to be a fake black? Neither are 'correct' if he's after a Russian black fixed stock. Z Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 What does logic matter he is just going to sit them on his coffee table to stare at anyway If he's going to paint a plum, he ends up with a stock the Russians never issued in the first place, so whats the difference between getting a US made identical black stock, or painting a Russian plum to be a fake black? Neither are 'correct' if he's after a Russian black fixed stock. Z I know, I was simply mocking the expense at which he is going to "sit on my coffee table for decoration" unauthentic parts...which you pointed out more fluently. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 IMO he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Sure the whole coffee table thing is right up there with "tragic boating accident" but, as far as we know he is genuinely just after the parts for decoration/collection, and not to assemble into any weapon. Not to mention 922r is not subject to constructive possession. Personally, I think his decorating style is pretty bad. I'd recommend maybe a nice candle assortment or perhaps a set of decorative coasters for the coffee table, but hey, I'm no interior decorator. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 :lolol: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NwShooter503 0 Posted November 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) well the Bulgarian stock is Bulgarian....not Russian the KVAR stock is IMHO worth less than dog crap http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/c-deact_furniture.htm scroll down and you can see a black izzy FIXED stock, however they are sold out Edited November 16, 2010 by NwShooter503 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 well...the saiga stock is black, fixed, and from izzy also so there you go...an even more authentic part then the cockamimi plot you have planned. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/21_79/products_id/1040 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 well the Bulgarian stock is Bulgarian....not Russian the KVAR stock is IMHO worth less than dog crap http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/c-deact_furniture.htm scroll down and you can see a black izzy FIXED stock, however they are sold out Thats an odd statement, the Bulgarians are generally considered to have made equipment just as good as the Russian stuff, on Russian tooling. The US made K-Var furniture is also made on the same tooling, supposedly. Not sure what K-Var stock you are talking about though. Lately K-Var has popped up with a lot of true Izhmash furniture, the SGL31-94 has a 5.5mm trunnion and Izzy folding stock straight from Legion. Z 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I know, I was simply mocking the expense at which he is going to "sit on my coffee table for decoration" unauthentic parts...which you pointed out more fluently. I see said the blind man (I didn't get your sarcasm, my bad) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 You will find that many "Bulgarian" items are in fact Russian manufactured with the Izzy or Tula marks removed. Not saying it happened on the stocks, but it did happen on the magazines. A lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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