JWysenski762 0 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 i did my conversion and put in the tapco fcg, pg and gas piston (which are all great) and just tried it out this week. well i must have bashed up the ends of the pins prety good or some thing. they stayed in fine untill i fired it. i got about 100 rounds through, and the one for the trigger came loose and it shot off 4 or 5 rounds in automatic. i could feel the trigger was not on right so i put the safety on and took out the mag and fiddled with the pin to put it back in. then it went off again, and smashed up my safety (it was easily bent back and looks as good as new)! fortunatly it was pointed down range the whole time. needless to say i wont be shooting anymore untill i get new pins. as a side note, i was getting sub 2 moa with brown bear soft points and iron sights at 100 yards! love the converted rifel except for the pin incident which scared the shit out of me! any elce have this happen? the pins felt tight in the work shop but i guess the shock from firing it loosened them. id highly recomend getting new pins for a conversion after this experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 I presume you are referring to the TWO pins that the trigger and hammer pivot on, YES??? Ok... sooo...Umm.... WHAT did you USE TO SECURE the pins *AFTER* your conversion???? You REMOVED the "shepherds crook" hook that originally held them in place when you took it all apart... Did you put the "shepherds crook" BACK IN? Did you use "E clips"?? Did you use a "shepherds crook" Replacement plate? If you DID NOT SECURE THE PINS after your conversion.... BIG OOPSIE!!! You probably do not need to replace them... just SECURE THEM!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stokstad 4 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Get one of these they work the best in my opinion: http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/index.php?...products_id=238 Otherwise some people have used E-clips or if anything put the spring back in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JWysenski762 0 Posted August 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 oh damn is my face red! i thought that theywere just pounded in! i thought that the retainer spring was just there for the bho. i guess thats why its called a RETAINER spring... thanks for the help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolverine 10,360 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 I'm glad no one got hurt. I bet that did catch you off guard. One squeeze and four or five unexpected rounds. Yikes. I've done several conversions now and always use the retainer device sold by Blackjacks and others. Once the pins are all the way in installing one is a snap. Likewise the take down process is easy. Well worth the $11 or $12 asking price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Wow! Glad it didn't all fly apart or get jammed up inside the receiver! That wire is a pain to put back but you've got to put something there to hold em in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
k_dawg 0 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 there are two side springs in the Saiga. The right side is for the bolt-hold. the left one is the "shepards hook" to hold in the axle pins. If you wish to be able to easily disassembly/reassembly, this works great http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/index.php?...products_id=238 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pistonring8 1 Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Dont know if this helps ya at all, but I replaced the original retainer spring and put a little spot weld on the ends where I drilled them out. I grounded the welds smooth afterwards. The trigger pins that get drilled out for the conversion are just barely long enough to go through both sides of the reciever. This worried me a little bit so thats why I welded them in place as an added safety measure. Im glad you didnt get hurt. Thank you for the range report! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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