VladTepes 160 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 I have had a 556 before.. have an S12.. have had 5.45.. not new to Saigas.. but I have finally decided I am done with 7.62x39.. I love the round.. but I have gotten big into shooting my new AR so I want them to be the same caliber (556)... I live in a free state with no mag restrictions (PA) the gun will be 922 compliant and all that.. so what is the deal currently with magazines? want something durable.. what is the current state of AR adapters? thanks in advance.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/77944-my-renegadebuck-and-msa-adapter-experience/page__hl__%2Bmsa+%2Badapter http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/77881-cracked-pmag-follower-using-ar-mag-adapter/page__hl__%2Bmsa+%2Badapter http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/71836-s223-conversion-with-ar-mag-well/page__st__30__p__768827__hl__+msa%20+adapter#entry768827 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrThunder88 912 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 If I had a lot of AR magazines, an AR adapter would probably be my first choice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 If I had a lot of AR magazines, an AR adapter would probably be my first choice. I would be tempted too, but the premier AR mag, the PMag, is vastly inferior to circle 10 AK mags. Which is not to say that it is terrible, just that the best AK mag far outstrips it in quality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shootsmuch 9 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 i am going thru the same thing. a .223 Saiga and mag options. i dont like the idea of a mag adaptor which requires grinding trunnions, thats just me. so im going the bullet guide route and just recieved my Danzig guides for both round and flat trunnions. so i just layed the bullet guide into the chamber last night(no glue, no screw) just to see what it would do. i put in a Galil steel 35 round mag and the gun chambered nicely with me working several rounds thru the action by hand. i will be installing my guides today and will get back with results after i go out back and dump a mag or two... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canoecanoe 63 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) I like the 5.56 Beryl mags. They require a little fitting (similar to what you do for weigers). They have metal reinforced feed lips but the locking tab is not metal reinforced. Why cut/grind on a perfectly good rifle to use an onferior AR mag? Edited June 2, 2012 by canoecanoe 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jbanzai 113 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Circle 10 mags are awesome, and probably the easiest to find. They lock up tight, feel very sturdy and have ZERO wobble. Very little fitting required here too. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pyzik 597 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 I can echo jbanzai, Circle 10s are awesome and lock up tight. You only have to file maybe 1mm of the top of the front feed lip. (And the interdiction tab on the rifle to accept high cap mags) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VladTepes 160 Posted June 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 circle 10s sound like the way to go.. where are there galil metal mags? I would love to use my AR mags.. and am not afraid to cut and grind.. but it just seems like too much to me.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tbizzle 18 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 I've found Tapco Galil mags to be very reliable in mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brian M1 50 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 In a nutshell: surefire (SMG) mags for unmodified use (stay away from Promag/Tapco).. W/ bullet guide installed: Any mags (may need fitting to your peculiar rifle). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shootsmuch 9 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 checked out my stell Galils yesterday with newly installed BG, flawless! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Just a quick note about filing/modifying mags: What applies to someone else's rifle may not apply to yours. There are wide variances in the manufacture of these rifles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canoecanoe 63 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) I've found Tapco Galil mags to be very reliable in mine. The Tapco Galils locked into my rifle just fine, but I found the amount of wobble in my rifle to be unacceptable. I am glad they work for you, though. Edited June 3, 2012 by canoecanoe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VladTepes 160 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 bullet guide needed? http://www.midwayusa.com/product/922148/arsenal-inc-magazine-ak-47-ak-74-sar-3-223-remington-30-round-polymer-clear Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canoecanoe 63 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 bullet guide needed? http://www.midwayusa...d-polymer-clear i have never used these, but it is my understanding that a bullet guide is required. I am also pretty sure you will need to remove the interdiction tab. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jbanzai 113 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Yeah, you need a guide. They raised the price about $5 in the last month or two. Check out KVAR to see if they can beat their price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VladTepes 160 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 ugh I keep going back to AR adapter... just not sure how I feel about it.. I have done several conversions.. just the whole cutting up the gun so much thing.... I already have an AR.. with AR mags.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ImperialArt 29 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 You don't really cut the gun up. There is just a little material on the trunnion to remove. You can still use the factory mags and since you have ar mags, you can use them as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jbanzai 113 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 As mentioned, Circle 10 mags beat any AR mag out there. An AK should have AK mags....but to each his own. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canoecanoe 63 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 I agree with jbanzai. It just seems wrong to use an AR mag in an AK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ImperialArt 29 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 As a weapon, I look for versitility. The capability to use AR mags is a no brainer for me. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) As a weapon, I look for versitility. The capability to use AR mags is a no brainer for me. Well, you lose some versatility as well. If I'm not mistaken, you can no longer do a mag hold (something that is very natural and useful on an AK), because you might accidentally actuate the adapter's mag release. Edited June 6, 2012 by Jim Digriz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VladTepes 160 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 As a weapon, I look for versitility. The capability to use AR mags is a no brainer for me. Well, you lose some versatility as well. If I'm not mistaken, you can no longer do a mag hold (something that is very natural and useful on an AK), because you might accidentally actuate the adapter's mag release. what do you mean? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pyzik 597 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) He means you may not be able to hold the gun like this anymore... Because you may push the mag release button on with your palm.... (Not my pic) Though I do think they make an adapter with the release on only one side of the adapter. Edited June 7, 2012 by Pyzik Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ImperialArt 29 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I don't have that problem with my renegade buck adapter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SgtRaven 531 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) I don't get it: what's a problem with PMAGs? My friends are using them as their preferred choice in the "sandbox", and PMAGs survive everything from the "moon dust" and scorching heat to Hindu Kush freeze. From my personal experience, they're on par with Soviet OEM "Bakelites". MagPul designed them using feedback from frontline operators. PMAG is preferred stuffer for care packages, going into the sandbox. I put ~750 rounds flawlessly through them using my AR adapter (MSA) and don't share the skepticism about their reliability. And speaking of accidental drops while in mag hold: I'm doubtful it ever happened, unless you have a grip of steel. MSA LHS release lever is not that easy to engage by accident. Just my $.02. Happy Shooting! P.S. My friend, just back from the 'stan, said newer aluminum-made GI mags tend to have their locking tab bent easily and fall out the M4 mag well, what never happens to PMAGs. I only used older style USGI mags (steel made) and they were staying put OK. Edited June 7, 2012 by Sgt. Raven Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canoecanoe 63 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 The problem with PMAGS is that they are reported to not lock into the adaptors reliably. Nothing wrong with the mags, just the fit in AR adaptors. I also have experienced with the adaptors. I no longer have an adaptor (I have had both MSA and Renegadebuck). Just not for me. I like commie milsurp mags better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VladTepes 160 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 the last two posts are exactly what is driving me nuts.... I want to use my pmags.. because they are reliable inexpensive mags.. I read one post that says they are fine.. and then I read another that talks about them falling out... reliability is key.. why am I getting answers that are so all over the place? not bitching just trying to understand why the mag adapter works SO well for some.. but sucks for others.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pyzik 597 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Vladtepes, I know exactly how you feel. I was on the fence for few weeks at the beginning of the year on whether to order an adapter or buy more mags. I ended up buying more Bulgy mags. I don't even have an AR (though plan on getting one). I love the idea of sharing mags between two platforms and I even like the way it looks in a Saiga. My .223 already was giving me some unique problems and I didn't want to possibly introduce more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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