German Brat 3 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Awesome thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Welcome. I am surprised no one has warned you that unless you have changed out several internal parts, it is not legal to use that magazine with your shotgun. See here Gunwiki: 922® Worksheet for Saiga Shotguns This is another reason to do your conversion, and probably the main influence on most people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Also, those are unusual targets in your 3 gun match. Was there a theme? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) got tired of waiting for the kick lite to be back in stock. went with the mako instead! http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/saiga-12-pistol-grip-conversion-kit-w-mako-collapsible-stock-p-858.html After ordering i relized that the stock is not US made! oh well with the mag's i only have 9 Foreign parts so it will be legal!! i plan on getting a puck and a plug as well so that will help out too. now the 5-15 day shipping time......its going threw fedex smartpost and im a little worryed on the website it says ship weight 8lbs on fed ex it says 2lbs and its in a 3X6X10" box.... oh well they are a great company im sure it'll be just fine! also that worksheet is an amazing tool! Edited April 1, 2013 by shifty_85 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Finaly got to fire it with the brake and let me tell you it felt like i was shooting a 20ga with low brass bird even thoe i was shooting high brass 12 gauge slugs!! got some awesome videos and pictures! even had a few first time S-12 shoots step up and said "wow there is no recoil compared to my 870 with a slug! one even shot better than me and he had never fired a shotgun before!!! Here is my buddy shooting it with some low brass Remington 7 1/2 shot. VIDEO looked like it didnt eject one oh well. Here is me with 5 Winchester Super X 2 3/4" 1 oz 1600 FPS slugs! notice the paper targets in the lower right flying around due to all the gas the brake redirected. *got these cheap at meijer 15 slugs for 11 bucks! VIDEO Here is a 13 round mag dump of my buddys dads reloads #4 shot 3 and 3/4 dram!!! VIDEO My buddy doing a mag dump of his own. VIDEO And now for the fun stuff you will all enjoy i went threw and paused the video on every one of the 5 slugs! Number 1 Number 2 Why does it look like a flame is coming out of the action? Number 3 Number 4 And number 5 hard to see number 5 very smoky. i have to give it up we ran 25 low brass 40 of the #4 and 15 slugs and the last of the slugs i put the target all the way back at 60 feet and almost shot the pin that holds the target on off. After shooting we relized the muzzle brake had come loose *didnt get it very tight the first time* and the scope to mount had come loose but still held its 0. the scope mount SOILD did not move at all. all and all a little blue loc tite here and there and it should stay on there next time i was VERY impressed with this muzzle brake well worth the 150 dollars the first time i shot i said "Where did all that wind come from??" then it dawned on me the gilles direct the gas towards the back. Now i need my converstion kit to get here for pistol grip and a mako stock with a tromix trigger! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 just orderd this kit from CSS http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-967/Saiga-12-low-brass/Detail?sfs=6da17230 The Kit includes1-DPH 6 Position adjustable Gas Knob.1- CSS Peformance Recoil Spring designed for all 2 3/4" shells1- CSS Performance G2 Puc is engineered to keep your gas system working in optimum performance now just the puc counts towards 922R right? Also it says fits "All saiga 12,20 and .410 shotguns" All saigas have the same size gas system? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwelhse 1,285 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Where ya at in MI? (UP, North, South)? A couple of us local to each have been meaning to hook up for an outing! PM if you don't want to tell the world! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 South east! Farmington hills. your profile says IN if your close enough you should come to port huron with use for 3 gun action! lots of love for saigas there But it does put you in the open class! you have to at least make the zombie shoot nothing takes out zombies better than an S-12! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 so i orderd from MSAA's on 3/29 and it still has not left the warehouse. i orderd my spring plug and puc CSS on 4/3 and it has already made its way to SC what takes MSAA so long? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwelhse 1,285 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 South east! Farmington hills. your profile says IN if your close enough you should come to port huron with use for 3 gun action! lots of love for saigas there But it does put you in the open class! you have to at least make the zombie shoot nothing takes out zombies better than an S-12! Not all that close... About 3.5 hour drive for me. Still not too bad. I wouldn't mind attending a 3 gun just as a spectator though. Looks like fun, but I'm not sure if I'd want to jump in cold with no experience! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 South east! Farmington hills. your profile says IN if your close enough you should come to port huron with use for 3 gun action! lots of love for saigas there But it does put you in the open class! you have to at least make the zombie shoot nothing takes out zombies better than an S-12! Not all that close... About 3.5 hour drive for me. Still not too bad. I wouldn't mind attending a 3 gun just as a spectator though. Looks like fun, but I'm not sure if I'd want to jump in cold with no experience! thats what i did first time went out by my self CETME, pump 870 4+1 and my 1911 with only 4 8 round mags! had to make a 1911 friend forgot a few of how the stages went but the RO helped out couldnt shoot the CETME due to barnal ammo sticking to magnet i pleded my case of Bi-metal jacket because copper cost to much to shoot in russia but they would not let me shoot it. traded a guy straight up to run his AR-15. when i said "Well i cant shoot my CETME that means i cant shoot? and 6 people that i did not know offerd up their own AR-15's and their .223 very amazing to me very great group of people. Carbine match tomorrow runing my hi-point M995 and my 1911 should be fun. come out there if you can make it if not next 3 gun is April 20th Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Well i got my package from CSS already i orderd it the 4/4 and got it 4/8 my stock and trigger convertion from MSAA that i orderd 3/29 has still not even left the warehosue... i know i know they said 5-15 days but i just want it now! Edited April 8, 2013 by shifty_85 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 here are new parts next to old parts. old plug close to you new plug farther. Stock plug and puc are closer to you. New spring is closer to you old spring is farther. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 bought 6 AGP mags for 180 bucks thats 30 each! 4 of them are clear i like it! Left to right 10 rounds of rio 00 buck clear shells in the clear mag! next in line 10 rounds of military 00 buck. then next 10 winchester slugs. then 5 winchester slugs and 5 Remington slugs. much tighter fit that the sure fires because i dont have the mag thing! cant wait to try um out. Also my stock finally shiped should be here tomorrow or thrus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 The DPH plug has 6 setting and when i install it into my saiga all the way down it stops between 3-4 the first one it can click on is 4. the paper i got with it says "Screw DPH plug as far as it will go then back it out till pin clicks into position Every gun is slightly different and yours may not start on the lowest setting. So does that mean #4 is my new number 1? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Got everything. im a little disappointed in the way tapco trigger stuff shiped its in a sandwich bag... the do it your self trigger guard is in a nice bag with its papers. and the houge grip is in its box as well. the stock was just flopping around in the box witch was fine i am surprised how much this stock moves i like it should make recoil nothing in combo with the brake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 well took the plunge and bought an MD arms 20 round drum last night at around 3am got an email today when i got up it has been shiped! cant wait to get it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 (edited) tehehehe its DONE! all the guts out All finished Had to do final fitting to the MD arms drum but was easy with a file and it locks in nice and tight. Looking threw the optic. Some side by side pictures. Testing out. 10 rounds of 00 buck at 30 feet and 2 slugs in the head at 25 yards. End of the day put it all the way down to 25 yards 3 slug group id say the scope held its zero Only video the range only allowed 2-3 shots in a row so 00 double taps it was. Here is how much that MAKO stock moves. i love this ALOT and cannot wait to run it at 3 gun. Edited April 26, 2013 by shifty_85 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted April 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 (edited) had fun this weekend 20 rounds threw the drum did 2 drum dumps with no issue's all low brass you can really see the mako stock eating up recoil in this video. 5 slugs to finish off a frying pan. Edited April 29, 2013 by shifty_85 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted May 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 No love for converted saiga Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted May 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 ran great in its first 3 gun. would have been better if the first stage i had rememberd to turn the gas back up from 2 to 6 oops haha. had a few fail to ejects but ran pretty good the whole day. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
travistp 63 Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Cute. Glad your excited about it. I just got rid of my monster break. Worked great but too long and big and heavy. Shoot 3 inch magnums tell mr how the gun feels. 2oz tutkey loads max dram 3".. try to of those on setting one. Make aure you dont uae that low brass spring and go back to the stock one or you will fuck some shit up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted May 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 (edited) Stage 1 Stage 4 i did go back to the stock recoil spring and still had some FTE's using Ultra clay and field 8 shot 2 3/4 dram 1oz 8 shot. box says 1180FPS also one of the slugs gave me a FTE as well in the stage 5 video you can see. Was also told my 1911 recoil spring is the same as the Saiga spring? Edited May 19, 2013 by shifty_85 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 so i think my mako recoil stock may be making fail to ejects? i attempted a mag dump today with the 20 round drum and had 4 fail to ejects. i then pulled the gun into my shoulder as hard as i could compressing the stock and it worked fine after than. did another 10 rounds with it compressed into my shoulder. is there anyway to make this stiffer or to make it not compress at all?? anyone else had any probs like this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted June 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 well think i may be in the market for a new stock. or need to find a way to make this stock lock into place. or not move as much. had more issue's FTE solved by me compressing the stock into my shoulder and holding it very tight to not let the stock move while firing solved all issue's. it is not a gas issue when i did not hold the stock fully compressed ever high brass 2 3/4" 1oz slugs and 00buck would FTE. think the Monster brake in combo with the recoil stock eats up to much and not allowing it to cycle and one has to go. Any ideas for another stock? i like this style 6 pos Adjust. but am open to others. Thanks!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
travistp 63 Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Tac 47 autoplug Bonesteel arms side folding stock. Dont have to remove the tang. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted June 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Dont really care for folding stocks. i like my DPH gas plug it works just fine its the stock giving it issue's on no ejecting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 If your gun has it's gas/ friction tuned correctly, limp-wristing should not matter. That's why one gets a gas operated firearm. While that style of stock is not my favorite, my opinion is that your gun should be tuned to fire and cycle whether it is held firmly or otherwise. I am jealous of your access to 3 gun play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted June 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 If your gun has it's gas/ friction tuned correctly, limp-wristing should not matter. That's why one gets a gas operated firearm. While that style of stock is not my favorite, my opinion is that your gun should be tuned to fire and cycle whether it is held firmly or otherwise. I am jealous of your access to 3 gun play. Thanks 3 guns are very fun. i just feel like the stock has to much give to it and it is eating up all the energy of the bolt coming backwards and not having enough to throw the shell out. could it be hitting the dust cover? ive seen a few guys who have taken out the cover and they said it helps with ejecting. As you see in my drum dump videos the shells seem to be ejecting and being thrown pretty far from the gun. and i have the gas plug wide open *Setting 6* for shooting low brass. normaly turn it down to 1 or 2 for slugs/ high 00 buck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 The stock eats some of the energy, but if you need to hold it just right to make it cycle, go up to the next gas setting. Some people do remove the moving piece on the spring assembly AKA the "shutter" I don't think it hurts anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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