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Installed ALG AKT trigger in Converted Saiga12 SBS. It works.

Saiga12 ALG AKT SBS

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#1 trashcan101

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Posted 23 August 2015 - 01:10 PM

It took about 2.5 hours, and was actually pretty easy with only material removal required. Works fine after 100rd through it and no trigger problems or multiple-fire conditions. 

PowerPoint of the Mods 

NOTE: If you do this, you are taking the risk that it won't work - with all that the warning entails with regard to potential injury/death from a malfunctioning firearm. Since I don't know your skill level, I make no claims that you will have my success/luck. That, and with the variation in Saiga construction, your mod requirements/mileage may vary. If you are not confident that you can do this yourself, be safe and take your weapon to a qualified gunsmith. 

The files below are the interferences I ran into and two shots of the assembled weapon.  The linked Powerpoint shows them as well, and how I addressed them.  Last slide has a short vid of it working.

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Posted 23 August 2015 - 04:08 PM

It took about 2.5 hours, and was actually pretty easy with only material removal required. Works fine after 100rd through it and no trigger problems or multiple-fire conditions. 

PowerPoint of the Mods 

NOTE: If you do this, you are taking the risk that it won't work - with all that the warning entails with regard to potential injury/death from a malfunctioning firearm. Since I don't know your skill level, I make no claims that you will have my success/luck. That, and with the variation in Saiga construction, your mod requirements/mileage may vary. If you are not confident that you can do this yourself, be safe and take your weapon to a qualified gunsmith. 

The files below are the interferences I ran into and two shots of the assembled weapon.  The linked Powerpoint shows them as well, and how I addressed them.  Last slide has a short vid of it working.

-Trashcan101 

Could I make a video of this info and give you credit?


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Posted 23 August 2015 - 06:23 PM

 

It took about 2.5 hours, and was actually pretty easy with only material removal required. Works fine after 100rd through it and no trigger problems or multiple-fire conditions. 

PowerPoint of the Mods 

NOTE: If you do this, you are taking the risk that it won't work - with all that the warning entails with regard to potential injury/death from a malfunctioning firearm. Since I don't know your skill level, I make no claims that you will have my success/luck. That, and with the variation in Saiga construction, your mod requirements/mileage may vary. If you are not confident that you can do this yourself, be safe and take your weapon to a qualified gunsmith. 

The files below are the interferences I ran into and two shots of the assembled weapon.  The linked Powerpoint shows them as well, and how I addressed them.  Last slide has a short vid of it working.

-Trashcan101 

Could I make a video of this info and give you credit?

 

Go for it, brah.  If you can link your vid here or in a new post, that'd be cool.  The idea is to get the info out there.  I already sent it to Charlie at ALG at his request.

 

Next mod will be getting the AKT into a VEPR 7.62x54R.  Not as easy as the Saiga.


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Posted 24 August 2015 - 07:30 AM

Looks like a Tapco hammer in the fourth pic. Did you decide not to use the ALG hammer? If so, why not? It can work it just takes a lot more modification. Just curious.

 

I used the entire FCG and it runs extremely well. It took a lot more work than what you are showing. I can't post the video here though. Search ALG AKT on youtube and it should be within the first 10 results. I have another video coming of 100 rounds of bulk ammo in MD-20s in an 8" SBS with that FCG as soon as I can get some trigger time.


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Posted 24 August 2015 - 09:39 AM

I used the whole AKT fcg including the hammer, and it took only the mods I show in the ppt. It's realy not hard to do. I saw the youtube vid, but at least the one I looked at didn't have any info on how to do it.

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:29 PM

I didn't want to show all of what it takes to be left with an ideal FCG and at the same time I didn't want to lead people in without enough info to do it 100% right. Sometimes there is more than meets the eye with things like this. Can you upload that video to youtube? I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't open the file. I'd love to see it and what ammo you are running with it. I'm going on about 300 rounds with the weapon in my video and about to put the final 100 or so on it before I decide it is GTG.  


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Posted 24 August 2015 - 04:56 PM

The link I put at the top is a Powerpoint presentation.  You can get a viewer here ...  if you don't have MS Office.

 

I'd rather fool around in the garage than spend time making youtube vids, but if I find the time I'll put the photos and such into a vid and link it.

 

I've so far run 250rd of cheap and not-as-cheap high brass 00Buck through it, which is what I built it to shoot.  It works well with slugs too.  Not messing with lighter shot or low brass since I sorta really don't care if it shoots that or not.  It's a Home D weapon, so if it works with 00Buck, it works.



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Posted 24 August 2015 - 07:54 PM

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 06:54 PM

Installed ALG AKT in VEPR 7.62x54R  http://forum.saiga-1...2x54r-it-works/

 

Should also work in VEPR .308



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Posted 12 September 2015 - 10:00 AM

can anyone review the trigger? How much better is it over the tapco? ALG has been running sales amuck. Is it definitely worth the time for fitting it?
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Posted 12 September 2015 - 10:36 AM

I never tested the one I installed before I worked it. I made it shorter and smoother, so I really can't say exactly what it was like simply modified for use in a Saiga 12. However, I can tell you it is definitely a better starting point than a Tapco G2 and the result I achieved after working it was worth it.


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Posted 21 September 2015 - 12:00 AM

can anyone review the trigger? How much better is it over the tapco? ALG has been running sales amuck. Is it definitely worth the time for fitting it?

I have a Saiga12 Mod/Review video in the works.


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Posted 02 December 2015 - 01:51 PM

Checking in with an update.  After ~500 rd of high brass 00 Buck, it's still working just fine.  Recently repeated the mod/install on another Saiga 12 I purchased and converted, which will be SBS'd once the Form 1 arrives.   



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Posted 02 December 2015 - 11:54 PM

Is that an AKT hammer in the fourth pic?

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Posted 06 December 2015 - 08:41 AM

It is an AKT hammer, after I'd modded it to fit.  I couldn't get the pin through the hammer to show the interference without taking the 'tail' off and making room for the BHO first.



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Posted 06 December 2015 - 10:24 AM

Looks like an entire Tapco FCG to me. Sure you didn't just accidentally use the wrong pic?

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Posted 07 December 2015 - 08:17 PM

Looks like an entire Tapco FCG to me. Sure you didn't just accidentally use the wrong pic?

Oy.  I know you want this to be a complicated and mysterious process the secrets of which only you know, but the fact is that it's easy and anyone with a Saiga 12, a AKT trigger kit, and a Dremel tool can do it.  I'm not an idiot and I didn't use the wrong photos.  Modding an ALG AKT trigger setup to fit and operate properly in a Saiga 12 is a straightforward and simple thing to do.  Disassmble, bit of Dremel work, reassemble, and you're done.  I've done it twice and the second time took about 45 minutes, is how easy it is.  If you will just look at the Powerpoint I provided above, like apparently everyone but you has done, you'll see how I did it, step by step.  There are more pictures in there.  Powerpoint viewers are free, just go get one.  Executive Summary: Whatever, kid, this method works and you're welcome to use it.







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