CGuns 3 Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 What is the deal with the magazine guides? Weren't they for sale on Gunbroker at one time? Please advise, Thanks, CGuns Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 (edited) Magazine guide? As in, a mag-well that orients the magazine properly but isn't strait feed? I've not seen any on gunbroker...there's a new 8-round magazine with mag-well for sale there. I was originally working on a mag-guide, but gave up b/c it's a PIA and I'd rather have a strait feed mag-well...which is another can of worms completely, though I wouldn't be surprised if you see one on my S20 pretty soon. Edited February 27, 2006 by AegisDei Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sniper_n_training 0 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 I think he was referring to the 8rd with mag well. I was wondering the same thing as I still see them on GunBroker and have not heard a peep about them (other than no-one would order because of the fear of delivery time or being confiscated either here or across the pond). Any input? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CGuns 3 Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Yes I am talking about the magazine well/ magazine guide as on the Saiga 12S EXP 030 SWAT model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Yes I am talking about the magazine well/ magazine guide as on the Saiga 12S EXP 030 SWAT model. As the other guy said, they are for straight -in new SWAT mags, complete with last round BHO. They are the holy grail. If I was sure that I could get them to work with my 2001 internals, I would have bought the well and mag on Gunbroker by now, but the more I think about it, the internals would HAVE to be different for the last round BHO to work and the straight in mag to work. There's that, and the PRICE!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CGuns 3 Posted February 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 What do you mean by "straight-in" magazine? Aren't they just like the factory 8 round magazines, with the front "lip" shaved off? Is the magazine body geometry any different? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 What do you mean by "straight-in" magazine? Aren't they just like the factory 8 round magazines, with the front "lip" shaved off? Is the magazine body geometry any different? I think it is, but some guys don't, and the jury is still out until someone buys one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clange 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Heres pics. http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=44480365 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 (edited) What do you mean by "straight-in" magazine? Aren't they just like the factory 8 round magazines, with the front "lip" shaved off? Is the magazine body geometry any different? Negative on the first question, affirmative on the second. Check out the Finn shotgun club vid as well as the Izhmash "booth" vid from the international arms show in Thailand last year. The Izhmash vid is on the Izhmash website as well as around here. The Finn vid is around here somewhere. The Finns make an aluminium copy of the Russian EXP 1-30 well and grind off the front lug and all that holds the mag in is the friction of the well and the standard mag catch. The Russian well is the fiber reinforced polyamide. See the vid. Edited March 1, 2006 by inparidel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
epsylum 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 (edited) The Finns make an aluminium copy of the Russian EXP 1-30 well and grind off the front lug and all that holds the mag in is the friction of the well and the standard mag catch. I guess that would be why in the Shitbird vid one of the mags just pops out when shooting. I was wondering why, now I know. Edited March 2, 2006 by epsylum Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CGuns 3 Posted March 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 What do you mean by "straight-in" magazine? Aren't they just like the factory 8 round magazines, with the front "lip" shaved off? Is the magazine body geometry any different? Negative on the first question, affirmative on the second. Check out the Finn shotgun club vid as well as the Izhmash "booth" vid from the international arms show in Thailand last year. The Izhmash vid is on the Izhmash website as well as around here. The Finn vid is around here somewhere. The Finns make an aluminium copy of the Russian EXP 1-30 well and grind off the front lug and all that holds the mag in is the friction of the well and the standard mag catch. The Russian well is the fiber reinforced polyamide. See the vid. Thank you. Are you referring to the Saiga-12 video on the Izhmash website? Was this displayed in Thailand, or is there another video? Thanks again, CGuns Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JumiKuula 1 Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 The Finns make an aluminium copy of the Russian EXP 1-30 well and grind off the front lug and all that holds the mag in is the friction of the well and the standard mag catch. I guess that would be why in the Shitbird vid one of the mags just pops out when shooting. I was wondering why, now I know. No friction used. If there were friction the mag shouln't have dropped, right? And it would be a pain in the ass if you should have to pull the mag out when changing. I drew that mag mag out twice in video simply because PJ stepped on one 13-rounder when training (And it became not-so-reliable...) for completion and so you can see me trowing those mags away from my feet to avoid stepping on them. TommiF just didn't push the mag completely in. Imagine AR15 but because of mag latch being placed elsewhere mag drops when not inserted correctly. Can't say it's a copy since after I made those magwells people started to ask if I was copying Russian-well and so I found out that there is this EXP 1-30... Is there any gun that uses friction to keep mag in? ...Exept Glock with older (Plastic or "1/2" sheetmetal insert) 33-round mags. -JamShot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ForGreatJustice 1 Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 I'm still working on a mag guide (not a well). I think its a lot less of a PIA than the "real deal" straight in well. However, its not as effective. The Stimpcatch was a good start, but the mag really needs proper guidance in two axes like the first generation SWATs. We'll see if anything comes of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Is there any gun that uses friction to keep mag in? ...Exept Glock with older (Plastic or "1/2" sheetmetal insert) 33-round mags. -JamShot You're right Jamshot, friction would not be reliable. Also, was it you that said that the effect of recoil on the extended mag lever would move it and release the mag? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Friction will work if applied at the right places and in the right directions. The extended mag-catches fail if made of a heavy metal like steal, something light like aluminum doesn't pick up enough inertia during a recoil to actually release the magazine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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