VforVandetta 42 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 I've been working on this bad boy for months. The footage was filmed in an afternoon. The editing.....was pretty painstaking. 7 brakes reviewed, with a stock vepr 12 rigged in a sled, with 2 different kinds of ammo, and every shot slo-mo'd and annotated. Authentic Molot Illyn GK 01, 02, and Custom Guns GK 03 Dissident Arms Phoenix Sutaev Bad Boy Gunz V6 Carolina Shooters Supply American GK-01 clone and of course the baseline was set by testing the gun first with a naked muzzle. Enjoy! -V 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyE 81 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 Excellent work! This is really informative. Thanks for posting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 You sure about that 4oz weight of the V6? CSS and several threads put it in at 10oz. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Note that he says it is a prototype alu model. That implies that the ones being sold are steel. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Note that he says it is a prototype alu model. That implies that the ones being sold are steel. Ah. Thank you. Didn't catch that detail. ADHD and all that. Great test / video. Thx. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyE 81 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) I would have been interested to see how much muzzle flip and recoil is reduced by the mass of the brake alone. Attaching lead to the muzzle would have some effect. Comparing 6 ounces of mass alone, versus the effectiveness of a 6 ounce brake, tells you how much reduction is due to the design of the gills, rather than just the mass alone. If 6 ounces of lead at the muzzle performs the same as a 6 ounce brake, it's the mass alone that's doing the work.That sort of test reveals the effectiveness of the DESIGN. Edited October 24, 2017 by JohnnyE 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronin38 2,117 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 ^ That's a good point! I think the pressure-effects of the brakes DO have more of an influence than just the weight would, but it should probably be tested just to set a baseline and compare the results. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 I would have been interested to see how much muzzle flip and recoil is reduced by the mass of the brake alone. Attaching lead to the muzzle would have some effect. Comparing 6 ounces of mass alone, versus the effectiveness of a 6 ounce brake, tells you how much reduction is due to the design of the gills, rather than just the mass alone. If 6 ounces of lead at the muzzle performs the same as a 6 ounce brake, it's the mass alone that's doing the work.That sort of test reveals the effectiveness of the DESIGN. I did one of those, and was going to mention that to Vadim. I can say that even doubling the weight had very little observable effect, but even light comps made a huge effect. It isn't the mass alone, or even primarily. That old wive's tale can die. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyE 81 Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 I would have been interested to see how much muzzle flip and recoil is reduced by the mass of the brake alone. Attaching lead to the muzzle would have some effect. Comparing 6 ounces of mass alone, versus the effectiveness of a 6 ounce brake, tells you how much reduction is due to the design of the gills, rather than just the mass alone. If 6 ounces of lead at the muzzle performs the same as a 6 ounce brake, it's the mass alone that's doing the work.That sort of test reveals the effectiveness of the DESIGN. I did one of those, and was going to mention that to Vadim. I can say that even doubling the weight had very little observable effect, but even light comps made a huge effect. It isn't the mass alone, or even primarily. That old wive's tale can die. Thanks for reporting this. I didn't know, didn't want to guess, and hearing from someone who's tried is real information. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VforVandetta 42 Posted October 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) I would have been interested to see how much muzzle flip and recoil is reduced by the mass of the brake alone. Attaching lead to the muzzle would have some effect. Comparing 6 ounces of mass alone, versus the effectiveness of a 6 ounce brake, tells you how much reduction is due to the design of the gills, rather than just the mass alone. If 6 ounces of lead at the muzzle performs the same as a 6 ounce brake, it's the mass alone that's doing the work.That sort of test reveals the effectiveness of the DESIGN. I did one of those, and was going to mention that to Vadim. I can say that even doubling the weight had very little observable effect, but even light comps made a huge effect. It isn't the mass alone, or even primarily. That old wive's tale can die.Thank you. Yea I was amazed at how effective all the brakes were. I should have indeed tied a brake to the muzzle after the bare muzzle Test just to smash that myth once and for all, but honestly I was very pressed to do my filming that day and wanted to do the important stuff. Also, note that the lightest brake had the most effect on muzzle rise. Bad boy gunz has moved into full production of the 4oz aluminum brake. The first run was the steel one. He let me crank about 2000 rounds through that one and beat on it during competiton use to make sure it was absolutley durable. And it is. Thanks for watching guys! -V Edited October 27, 2017 by VforVandetta 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyE 81 Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 I would have been interested to see how much muzzle flip and recoil is reduced by the mass of the brake alone. Attaching lead to the muzzle would have some effect. Comparing 6 ounces of mass alone, versus the effectiveness of a 6 ounce brake, tells you how much reduction is due to the design of the gills, rather than just the mass alone. If 6 ounces of lead at the muzzle performs the same as a 6 ounce brake, it's the mass alone that's doing the work.That sort of test reveals the effectiveness of the DESIGN.I did one of those, and was going to mention that to Vadim. I can say that even doubling the weight had very little observable effect, but even light comps made a huge effect. It isn't the mass alone, or even primarily. That old wive's tale can die.Thank you. Yea I was amazed at how effective all the brakes were. I should have indeed tied a brake to the muzzle after the bare muzzle Test just to smash that myth once and for all, but honestly I was very pressed to do my filming that day and wanted to do the important stuff. Also, note that the lightest brake had the most effect on muzzle rise. Bad boy gunz has moved into full production of the 4oz aluminum brake. The first run was the steel one. He let me crank about 2000 rounds through that one and beat on it during competiton use to make sure it was absolutley durable. And it is. Thanks for watching guys! -V Thanks for putting it together. Your well thought out and executed program made for some real myth busting! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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