Bigfunkytown 0 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Yesterday I perchased some PCA .223 ammo in soft point. I am currently holding a round of Wolf .223 up next to it. First thing I noticed beside its plastic casing is that the bottom end of the casing is that unlike the wolf seems like it may come apart. The oposite end of this is that this design has been used in shot shells. I also noticed that although both rounds were .55 gms, the PCA round was necked down deeper in the casing. My plan is to go to the range and run the 40 rounds I have through the Saga and bring some wolf along for a compairason. If any of you have experiance with this ammo, please give me your views on this. Thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 I have shot it out of an AR... It shoots... They wont come apart... It goes off... Thats about the only range report I can give... as we were just blasting it away at crap downrange.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rangerruck 0 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 they do have some temp/pressure problems. i almost ruined my cz bolt action in 223, because of those things, A BOLT ACTION, so it was not like i was letting the hammer fly, you know. until they perfect this round, buyer beware. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tokageko 8 Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 It's not going to work. The action of the Saiga 223 is too violent. The polymer part of the case will separate without fail on extraction. They fire. The bullet will leave the bore, with average accuracy. It's just a pain in the @$$ to deal with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigfunkytown 0 Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 It's not going to work. The action of the Saiga 223 is too violent. The polymer part of the case will separate without fail on extraction. They fire. The bullet will leave the bore, with average accuracy. It's just a pain in the @$$ to deal with. Are you saying that I shouldn't try to fire it through my saga? I'm planning on going in the morning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 (edited) I got a sample box when they first came out with it, shot a good group through my AR with open sights. Haven't messed with it since. Edit: In hindsight, it would be an excellent choice for loading a drum since its very light wieght. Edited March 20, 2006 by KySoldier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
okie shooter 0 Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I would pass on the stuff, cannot imagine its easy to pull out with a broken case extractor if it breaks in the chamber. I might be able to pluck out peices but for anything you can save is it worth it. Some day ammo maybe made this way, actually its simular to how main tank rounds are made but they have consumable cases with steel bases. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigfunkytown 0 Posted March 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 (edited) Didn't get to go to the range today, because there was a gun show in town today. So I went looking to get a deal on some .223 ammo. Now you guys got me nervous. I noticed that there was none of this plastic case stuff to be found on any of the ammo tables. I did see a 30 round .223 saga magazine today. I didn't get to buy it cause the ole guy selling it wouldn't turn around to get the sale. Had 46 bucks in my hand waiting for him, also had some 7.62x39 mags for the saga as well. Hope to go fire in the next two days. Edited March 20, 2006 by BFT! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tokageko 8 Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 It's not that it doesn't work necessarily, it just doesn't work well. The polymer part stays intact, and usually comes most of the way out of the chamber. Unfortunately, in my rifle the next round to feed would be wedged part way in the chamber with the polymer part of the old case stuck next to it. The brass part ejected fine. The polymer pieces were easy to remove from the gun, requiring no more than my fingers to do the job. rangerruck: I'm curious about the CZ that you "nearly ruined". What exactly happened? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rangerruck 0 Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 It's not that it doesn't work necessarily, it just doesn't work well. The polymer part stays intact, and usually comes most of the way out of the chamber. Unfortunately, in my rifle the next round to feed would be wedged part way in the chamber with the polymer part of the old case stuck next to it. The brass part ejected fine. The polymer pieces were easy to remove from the gun, requiring no more than my fingers to do the job. rangerruck: I'm curious about the CZ that you "nearly ruined". What exactly happened? when i shoot my cz, i time the shots at one minute apart, to give everyone an equal chance, bbl cooling, etc. So im firing that stuff, and suddenly, i go to chamber the next round and im about .25 in short of closing the bolt! I though i had broken someting insdie my bolt or chamber, i thoroughly inspected the chamber, kept trying to chamber new rounds, etc. No avail. i kept looking in the bbl and chamber area and could not see nothing. I though i was screwed. I had a solid clean rod in my car, so i went an got it, and on a whim , i stuck it throuhg the muzzle end. Whap! it caught on something. i smacked it forward with the palm of my hand about 5 times, and out it came. About half of the length of the neck got stuck in the chamber/throat area, it was so short, but yet a complete ring , that it just wasn't noticeable. I can still see myself trying to jamm a new round into the chamber with the bolt. so even though i was letting it cool between shots, part of the case pulled off and got stuck in the throat area. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigfunkytown 0 Posted April 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 It's not that it doesn't work necessarily, it just doesn't work well. The polymer part stays intact, and usually comes most of the way out of the chamber. Unfortunately, in my rifle the next round to feed would be wedged part way in the chamber with the polymer part of the old case stuck next to it. The brass part ejected fine. The polymer pieces were easy to remove from the gun, requiring no more than my fingers to do the job. rangerruck: I'm curious about the CZ that you "nearly ruined". What exactly happened? when i shoot my cz, i time the shots at one minute apart, to give everyone an equal chance, bbl cooling, etc. So im firing that stuff, and suddenly, i go to chamber the next round and im about .25 in short of closing the bolt! I though i had broken someting insdie my bolt or chamber, i thoroughly inspected the chamber, kept trying to chamber new rounds, etc. No avail. i kept looking in the bbl and chamber area and could not see nothing. I though i was screwed. I had a solid clean rod in my car, so i went an got it, and on a whim , i stuck it throuhg the muzzle end. Whap! it caught on something. i smacked it forward with the palm of my hand about 5 times, and out it came. About half of the length of the neck got stuck in the chamber/throat area, it was so short, but yet a complete ring , that it just wasn't noticeable. I can still see myself trying to jamm a new round into the chamber with the bolt. so even though i was letting it cool between shots, part of the case pulled off and got stuck in the throat area. I held off shooting this stuff due to the mixed reviews I'm getting here. I have decied noit to fire this stuff because with my luck I'll get the pop and no kick situation. Don't feel like blowing my face off, thank you very much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
easy610 0 Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Lets see....they say it is as good as standard 5.56 ammo and its substantially lighter...sux it ain't good stuff. That would be very cool to have even lighter 5.56 ammo! Oh well..... ps. Got four 20 round boxes I haven't fired 'cause I've heard bad things about it.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigfunkytown 0 Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Lets see....they say it is as good as standard 5.56 ammo and its substantially lighter...sux it ain't good stuff. That would be very cool to have even lighter 5.56 ammo! Oh well..... ps. Got four 20 round boxes I haven't fired 'cause I've heard bad things about it.... Took the .223 out this past week-end. Did not fire the plastic stuff. The stuff that I was using was once reloaded stuff purchased from a gun show. weapon did not missfire once out of the 100 rounds run through the carbine. However, there were other things that did not leave me smiling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tokageko 8 Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 It's not that the ammo is BAD, it's just that it was made with an AR 15 in mind. The same PCA 223 shoots wonderfully out of my father's Bushmaster AR. The AK's action is just too violent for it. RangerRuck: For the record, you did not almost ruin your rifle. You had an ammunition malfunction. It happens. You couldn't close the bold after that single round, and you stopped. You did the right thing. For the record though, that only seems to have been ONE cartridge. Am I wrong? It's a different story if you had the same thing happen multiple times... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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