UnidenStew 1 Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 (edited) Got another reply today in my e-mail from, Clyde, sales and marketing manger of Russian American Armory. I inquired about those Dragunov/Sketetonized stocks I see on some Saigas coming from them, and where I might purchase one. He informed me that they will be delivered to their distributors as an accessory after the first of the year. He will ship them out as soon as they arrive. Thought ya all might wanna know. It is and alternative to a conversion stock and should in most cases help you play the 922 game while still having the benefits of a pistol grip stock. I like the way they look, so I'm gettin' me one. Edited December 7, 2006 by MacMan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 That's what I heard. Gilberts Guns is going to carry them when they come in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Any chance you might have a picture of this? I'm about to take the plunge into purchasing all my conversion equipment and I really want a skeletonized stock. This might be right along the lines of what I'm looking for! Thanks!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UnidenStew 1 Posted December 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 I don't have one personally, but you can view a picture on one here: http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976736086.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 I don't have one personally, but you can view a picture on one here: http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976736086.htm Awesome, thanks! Though I must say, I'm not too huge a fan. Good to know though, I appreciate the link. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Like all things Russian, its made for use and longevity over appearence. The "new" saiga stock is just an adaptation of the current synthetic drag stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UnidenStew 1 Posted December 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 That's a nice lookin' outfit you got there, kymasabe. Where did you get that 20 round tanker mag? I'd like to locate a source for those. The Saiga mags are $30 a piece. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 I was lucky to find one for sale by another member and here's what it looks like on my 22" barreled 7.62x39. Ok, well that one looks good! Maybe I judged it too hastily, but with the longer barrel and AK-74 brake they go together well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UnidenStew 1 Posted December 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hey MacMan, I got the bullet guide kit from Danzig that works great and I buy my 20 rounders locally at the gun shows for around $12-15 each. I have, but don't really like, 30 round mags, 20 is perfect for me. I hear ya. Personally, I don't like the 30 rounders either. They just seem to clumsy to me. I could see it if you had a full auto set up, but for me, the 20 rounders are plenty. I think Tapco has some, but I'll shop around. I know they are out there somewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vermiform 26 Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hey MacMan, I got the bullet guide kit from Danzig that works great and I buy my 20 rounders locally at the gun shows for around $12-15 each. I have, but don't really like, 30 round mags, 20 is perfect for me. I hear ya. Personally, I don't like the 30 rounders either. They just seem to clumsy to me. I could see it if you had a full auto set up, but for me, the 20 rounders are plenty. I think Tapco has some, but I'll shop around. I know they are out there somewhere. Tapco has a great price on brand new Hungarians for $15, especially when they run the free shipping for over $50 merchandise (which they do all the time). Then you can snag 4 of them for $60. They has an awsome deal for used 20 rounders but sold out of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mak 3 Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 (edited) That's a nice lookin' outfit you got there, kymasabe. Where did you get that 20 round tanker mag? I'd like to locate a source for those. The Saiga mags are $30 a piece. $7.97 http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=293576 Edited December 12, 2006 by Mak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vicious1 0 Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Newbie here...Any idea what the stock might cost when it's released? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I'm hearing a bit more than that but still reasonable compared to the price and trouble of pistol grip conversions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vicious1 0 Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I could see upwards of $60-$70, but much more than that and I would look into the conversion. If it came in as low as $40 I'd be all over it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 I was lucky to find one for sale by another member and here's what it looks like on my 22" barreled 7.62x39. What exactly was done to this rifle to make it 922r compliant? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 I was lucky to find one for sale by another member and here's what it looks like on my 22" barreled 7.62x39. What exactly was done to this rifle to make it 922r compliant? ya know I was thinking the same thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vermiform 26 Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 I was lucky to find one for sale by another member and here's what it looks like on my 22" barreled 7.62x39. What exactly was done to this rifle to make it 922r compliant? ya know I was thinking the same thing It is in violation of 922R, based on his other posts, there are no American parts on his rifle. Even with only a 10 round magazine in it, I think the rifle would still be in violation because of the muzzle break, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 The brake probably is US. The rest is imported unless the gas piston and FCG parts have been changed out. If some one really wanted that look they could make those changes and use US made floorplates and followers in all their mags but that's the only way it would be legal. Otherwise the brake, the mag, and the feedramp required to feed from that mag costitute assembly and that's a no no. "Bailiff whack his pee pee." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Not trying to come down on ya man but better me than someone with a badge. I posted that because this thread is going to be seen by lots of people wanting to use a thumbhole or PG / buttstock shortcut on their Saigas and they need to know you can't just bolt on any stock you want or put a brake on a Saiga without bringing the rifle up to code. This question comes up daily around here. FYI front and rear sights have nothing to do with compliance, nor does the scope mount. The ONLY way to make a rifle legal in that configuration is to do as I stated above. 1. Gas piston 2. Hammer 3. Disconnector 4. "trigger" 5. Followers 6. Floorplates 7. Brake You can take one item off that list and be ok but you need 6 US parts (from the list) including the brake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Cobra's right about parts. What makes me wonder though is how are these rifles coming into the US with these stocks? Surely they received approval as "sporting." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UnidenStew 1 Posted December 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Cobra's right about parts. What makes me wonder though is how are these rifles coming into the US with these stocks? Surely they received approval as "sporting." I was wondering the same thing. From what my dealer said is that you are okay, until you put a mag larger than 10 rounds in it, or a muzzle brake. Then you have a WMD, and it's no longer compliant. But why would that effect those that are fortunate enough to live in a state that does not have the AWB as a carry over since the sunset date? My state, NY does so it is an issue here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vermiform 26 Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 922R has nothing to do with the Assualt Weapons Ban. The import ban was in place before the Assault Weapons Ban and did NOT sunset. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
guncats 4 Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 A few dealers are selling rifles with this stock already installed. Wonder if 922r will apply when only using 10rd factory mag. http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=62181673 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=62361033 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=62432323 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vermiform 26 Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 A few dealers are selling rifles with this stock already installed. Wonder if 922r will apply when only using 10rd factory mag. http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=62181673 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=62361033 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=62432323 Well, that is an interesting question. A while back, ATF decided that thumbhole stocks count as pistol grips. There is no law stating this, only ATF's bad interpretation of badly written law. If the ATF sticks to this statement, then the new Dragunov Stocked Saigas are a violation of 922R right? Maybe everyone including the ATF bullies know that it was obsurd in the first place to try and classify thumbhole stocks as such and now the importers are testing them? Either way, slap a magazine with more than 10 rounds into an unconverted Saiga and it is an illegal import, whatever stock is on the back. As for your third link, that is a russian made folding stock, and it is illegal to attach it to an unconverted Saiga. The seller in question (killimall) is a fucking asshole for selling it to people unaware. They buy the stock, hear about 922R and eventually find their way here. Then they find out that putting that stock on their rifle actually increases their foreign part count by 1 since it counts as a stock AND pistol grip. The guy that sells them on gunbroker refuses to warn people, but HE KNOWS about 922R BECAUSE HE DOESN'T SHIP THE STOCKS ATTACHED TO THE RIFLES and in some auctions has stated that he won't. The stock is a useless item, because anyone who cares about being 922R compliant wouldn't buy it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 A few dealers are selling rifles with this stock already installed. Wonder if 922r will apply when only using 10rd factory mag. http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=62181673 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=62361033 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=62432323 Well, that is an interesting question. A while back, ATF decided that thumbhole stocks count as pistol grips. There is no law stating this, only ATF's bad interpretation of badly written law. If the ATF sticks to this statement, then the new Dragunov Stocked Saigas are a violation of 922R right? Maybe everyone including the ATF bullies know that it was obsurd in the first place to try and classify thumbhole stocks as such and now the importers are testing them? Either way, slap a magazine with more than 10 rounds into an unconverted Saiga and it is an illegal import, whatever stock is on the back. As for your third link, that is a russian made folding stock, and it is illegal to attach it to an unconverted Saiga. The seller in question (killimall) is a fucking asshole for selling it to people unaware. They buy the stock, hear about 922R and eventually find their way here. Then they find out that putting that stock on their rifle actually increases their foreign part count by 1 since it counts as a stock AND pistol grip. The guy that sells them on gunbroker refuses to warn people, but HE KNOWS about 922R BECAUSE HE DOESN'T SHIP THE STOCKS ATTACHED TO THE RIFLES and in some auctions has stated that he won't. The stock is a useless item, because anyone who cares about being 922R compliant wouldn't buy it. That and didn't he get on the site here awhile back to tell us that 922r wasn't something we need to be worried about because "nobody checks for it"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
30-40krag dude 2 Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 there were a few saigas being sold with those stocks at the harrisburg gunshow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Here's the link to the last guy that bought from Killimall on Gunbroker for anyone who hasn't read it.... http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=12876&hl= Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 there were a few saigas being sold with those stocks at the harrisburg gunshow. Dude..but they were too high on the .308 ones when did you go? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Gilberts still has them for $399. The 16" 308s without the new stock are $40 cheaper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Gilberts still has them for $399. The 16" 308s without the new stock are $40 cheaper. well then I'm just off balance, I should of retracted my first statement since I was not in the market for a .308...yet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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