will36 0 Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Anyone else see the promo's on this today? Showing a full auto drum fed 12 gauge with some cool ass shells we would never be able to get. I thinks Discovery channel does this show. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE_HUNTER 2 Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 I'm looking forward to that one! Great show! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kahrak 2 Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 The shotgun they are showing is a further development of the Atchisson Assault Shotgun, which I think the USAS-12 was also loosely based on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devin_c1 2 Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 9 pm mon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_TEK 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 It is the AA12. You can check it out here. There are also video's enjoy. http://midamericarecreation.com/aa12_automatic_shotgun.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GTwannabe 1 Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 Meh... those things weigh 20lbs and have a very low cyclic rate. Also, those long recoil designs need to have their butt planted firmly or they won't cycle properly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 The shotgun they are showing is a further development of the Atchisson Assault Shotgun, which I think the USAS-12 was also loosely based on. They were both concevied by the same guy. Atchisson sold the USAS-12 design to Daewoo. The military wanted the AA-12 redesigned before adopting it. Before it only fired 2 3/4 and they need it to fire #inch so they could use the Frag-12 rounds. It will all be on tonight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 The shotgun they are showing is a further development of the Atchisson Assault Shotgun, which I think the USAS-12 was also loosely based on. Atchisson sold Daewoo the plans for the USAS-12. About the AA-12, the military wanted it modified to take a 3 inch mag round so they could use the Frag-12 rounds. This needed to be be done before they would commit to buying them. The original only fired 2 3/4. Looks like they are done with the mods. Can't wait to watch tonight!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE_HUNTER 2 Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 That was an awesome show!The AA guy said it can be had with a 32 round mag!!! The host sure had fun on this show!Does the AA have a choke tube?Must as the groupings were tight and I saw a turkey choke tube on the table when it showed the ammo selection at one point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red-9 0 Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 i saw the show and, while it was pretty impressive (though not as much as that sick Kriss SMG,) i have my doubts as to whether it is a better combat shotgun than say... a mil-spec S12. Think about a side-by-side comparison: materials, infrastructure, aftermarket, complexity of design, price, variants, specs, capability. and while the concept of a high-cap shotgun is indeed boner-inducing, remember that many here are already owners of 20 round mags. a little ducktape or a mag-cinch and PRESTO- now you have 40! so the utility of the 30+ round drum is debatable, but if you MUST have one, the fact that the guy that caused that big stir-up not to long ago was able to fab one proves that it doesn't take a Harvard degree to have a 30 round drum. which reminds me, and i realize that this is perhaps my editorializing, but is full-auto shotgun fire really that necessary? last time i checked, 12s were a pretty hefty round (not to mention ones that explode, or flechette, or other crazy shit.) unless the insurgents start employing coked-out gorrilas or veloceraptors, i don't see the need. THE NEW FACE OF TERROR. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Anyone else see the promo's on this today? Showing a full auto drum fed 12 gauge with some cool ass shells we would never be able to get. I thinks Discovery channel does this show. ok... i'll settle for my saiga-12... BUT I GOT TO GET ME SOME OF THEM GRENADE ROUNDS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kahrak 2 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 unless the insurgents start employing coked-out gorrilas or veloceraptors, i don't see the need. Thats an interesting mental image. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_TEK 0 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Anyone else see the promo's on this today? Showing a full auto drum fed 12 gauge with some cool ass shells we would never be able to get. I thinks Discovery channel does this show. ok... i'll settle for my saiga-12... BUT I GOT TO GET ME SOME OF THEM GRENADE ROUNDS Here is a fact sheet on it. FRAG12.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccumber1916 1 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Anyone else see the promo's on this today? Showing a full auto drum fed 12 gauge with some cool ass shells we would never be able to get. I thinks Discovery channel does this show. ok... i'll settle for my saiga-12... BUT I GOT TO GET ME SOME OF THEM GRENADE ROUNDS Here is a fact sheet on it. FRAG12.pdf well... i'll take one case for trials... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Cool show but I was hoping that they would have showed more on the Frag-12 round. A test with some dummys in a car or in a room with window would have been nice. Still an awesome gun and round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whatmanual 44 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Some videos on the AA-12 (slow loading for some people probably so give it time to buffer). http://midamericarecreation.com/aa12_videos.htm Frag-12 round videos: http://www.defensereview.com/stories/aa-12...hots_result.mpg http://www.defensereview.com/stories/aa-12/shot%201.mpg http://www.defensereview.com/stories/aa-12/shot%204.mpg Good luck getting one without being police or military (let alone being a DD and a tax stamp for each round like a mortar would be). Heck, due to its low recoil, they even made a "autocopter" remote control helicopter gunship. http://www.defensereview.com/article846.html (video somewhere on there it said....I think you have to download it though). My summary: I take the reliability of my Tromix over that thing. ~S Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 If Tom Cole had put a less brutal but stock on his select fire Saiga, it would have been a lot more user friendly, but that said I would take a Saiga over the AA12 anyday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marvin42 2 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 you do realize that if you had the proper permits the S12 could be full auto ... right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Jacket 329 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 you do realize that if you had the proper permits the S12 could be full auto ... right? yeah . you know , I've been asked a thousand times why I didn't have a F/A S-12 .Simple answer is "why bother? " . With 00 buck , each round fired is the same as a 9 rnd burst from a .32 subgun . that'll do . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whatmanual 44 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 (edited) you do realize that if you had the proper permits the S12 could be full auto ... right? Precisely, which permit would that be for the regular citizen? As far as I know, the only way would be to become a Class 2 gunsmith and create Pre-Sample (or was it post-sample). A regular citizen -even if prior service- cannot purchase these types of full auto. Another way would be to find a Full Auto that was made and registered prior to the 1986 ban. Not happening there of course though. Past that, its law enforcement or military purchases (from those Class 2 gunsmiths I think)....and those are department owned (or should be I think). Past that its prison. Did I miss something? Edited March 21, 2007 by whatmanual Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StealthyBlagga 4 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Precisely, which permit would that be for the regular citizen? You might be able to find a registered AK sear that will fit the S12 !??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whatmanual 44 Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 (edited) Ummm... since I dont own a full auto anything, I should divert that one to those who know (finding a sear). BUT: I think its not just the sear -but the gun/bolt matching numbers or something. From the sounds of what you suggest, I think that would = prison. Sorry. Not my law. Using an AK as an example: Merely having an unconverted AK and a full auto sear (not even in the gun) simply at the same home/car = prison as well (unless it was a spare part for your already registered class 3 full auto -considering you didnt have an extra AK it could possibly be used in). Even if the unconverted AK was a "Pre-Ban" to the 1986 ban, if your "pre-ban" gun wasn't previously changed and registered as a full auto prior to that 1986 cut off date - Pre-Ban would simply translate to "old ass gun". Converting it AFTER that date = prison (or so I understand). I think the law means that you cannot simply pop the auto sear out of your "legal full auto" pre-ban AK and then mail it to me to pop it into my "pre-ban" AK that was never converted/registered. Even if its an exact fit, its a conversion after that date -hence, its still an illegal change. ...If mine was a registered full auto AK as well and you gave me a sear to replace the one I broke or something...well, I think thats ok -but again, Im not a class 3 owner and would ask 1st to know for sure. Or so I was told/read. As far as I know, you would have to be the Class 2 Gunsmith (not someone else) and could make it for yourself only...or you could sell to Law Enforcement or Military only. That would probably be the only way. Regular citizens cannot buy Post or Pre samples (I think) that Class 2 gunsmiths make/create....(which is why we all drool over the prices for those in comparison to other Class 3 full auto prices I might add). Need someone like Tony to chime in on this one to know for sure though. He should know. Finding the part is easy (let alone fabricating it really). Its the law on full auto conversions that would arrest you. Personally, not something I would mess with at all. You have no room for error on those full auto laws. One slip and its bye bye guns for life (let alone prison/fines) Of course, I could be wrong a little. But I'm fairly sure that is very close. ~S Edited March 22, 2007 by whatmanual Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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