acgeorge 0 Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 (edited) What is the issue with getting these sights (as pictured in parts and mods). Well, I decided to design one. Hope the pic works. I'll send it out for quote at several quantity levels and let everyone know. Some questions: 1. Steel or aluminum. 2. Standard AK sight post or AR15 post. 3. Open ears as picture, or closed. Any thoughts? I added a few more pics down further on the page Pic of the muzzel break/flash hider on page 2 Thanks Andrew George Edited October 1, 2004 by acgeorge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Looks great, what program did you use? I have a design of my own that's designed for my manufacturing means. It's more crude but certainly feasible. I'd ask something like $35 or so for mine. That would of course be contingent on finding the time to make them. I have no S-12 of my own to model them, and no money to buy one. I'll see if I can cough up my design and if enough people commit to buy one that would end up funding an S-12, I may jump in and do it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mickporno 0 Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 i'd be interested in one...... 1. Steel or aluminum. aluminum if it's strong enuff....if not then steel 2. Standard AK sight post or AR15 post. not sure what the difference would be....can you enlighten? 3. Open ears as picture, or closed. i'd like to see your example of closed....you mean totally closed, like a peep?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acgeorge 0 Posted September 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 (edited) I created the model in Solid Edge 14. I basically took a standard AK front sight and modified it for the Saiga 12 barrel diameter. I have a full detail print, just neads the final touches. I will create a version with enclosed ears on Monday, at work (lunch hour of course). There seems to be many options for the AR15 post, many shapes, colors and sizes, thought it might be interesting. I will have it quoted in both aluminum and steel, leaning towards steel. A local shop that does work for me has wire EDM capabilities in addition to a full machine shop. Obviously, cost per unit will decrease as the quantity increases. I'll have him quote in lots of (25, 50, 75 and 100). A simple black Oxide is the most cost effective finish. Although, they could be left in the white, for individual to finish. Other finish options: powder coat, moly coat, phosphate (which I have the ability to do). I'll let you know more after I get the quote. I'll post more pics on Monday. Thanks Andy ps I still can't get my OEM choke off my Saiga 12. Hoped to get a measure of the threads (diameter, pitch and etc). Designing a screw on break wouldn't require much effort or time. I'll keep working on it. Edited September 24, 2004 by acgeorge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cesiumsponge 0 Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 I'd be interested in a front sight myself. I've also been talking with a few people with access to mills and lathes which might be willing to churn out a flash suppressor/muzzle brake for that AK-look. I haven't considered a production house yet and I'm still tinkering with Rhino to get a model right. On that note, has anyone checked out http://www.emachineshop.com/? I tried their software once but it was too different from what I was used to so I ended up not using their service. However if you can design something on there, you can send them the file online and they'll send you the finished project to your doorstep. It's also cheaper in quantity and sounds like a really neat service Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 nice job! steel would be good and an m16 post would be great! are you talking about interchangeable or just similar? the reason i ask is that if it's interchangeable, they make tritium m16 front sight posts... i like the open ears too. easier to adjust the front post although on a shotgun, not really necessary most of the time... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acgeorge 0 Posted September 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 (edited) Thats what is was thinking, interchangable, (tritium). I also tried emachineshop, it is easy to draw, but lacks many functions. I won't be using it. I think my local shop is very competetive. I think I'll try to reduce the size of the clamping block and SHCS's, underneath. Make it a little more esthetically pleasing. May also increase the wall thickness around the barrel, the proportions look off? Andy Edited September 24, 2004 by acgeorge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cesiumsponge 0 Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Hmm a friend just showed me this link since he is building up a (different) shotty. http://www.atigunstocks.com/shotforce-HRNEF.html They make AR-like Flash hiders for $16.99 MSRP. Looks like it clamps on and has a rail for mounting an accessory although I don't like the idea of a vented slot being right above an expensive flashlight or laser. I don't think you can beat that price though They also have a heat shield with an integrated front sight and ghost ring but it doesn't appear to be really useful for us unless we modified and hacked the product down. to our applications. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
screaming eagle 0 Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Steel either open ears Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shotgun_lobotomy 0 Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 god how can u even think of useing a m-16 sight, ITS A AK DAMMIT, regardless of what it shoots Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonaxe 0 Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Wasn't whoever ran the Saiga 12 website going to make one of these? Here's a picture of it... What ever happened to that? I think I've even seen one of the russian guys on this board with a pic of his Saiga 12 with this sight on it. No matter what, I've been interested in the elevated sight. Plus, I think a ghost ring rear sight would be cool. Anyone have plans to make one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
houtexgunner 0 Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 I was told that you can get them at ANY sporting goods store in Russia(as well as the flashsuppressor etc.). As for AR or AK---I know folks have started making things that are AR fit the AK but to me...that is sacreligious. It is an AK and Id like to leave it that way. make the sight tower use the same pins as a regular AK(so you can make the same adjustments as you would an ak sight) Just my .02 and it might not be worth much. Going to go pick up my saiga12 19" screw choke model in an hour and a half...woo hoo!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drooling idiot 1 Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 1) steel 2) AK front post , also available in tritium cheaper than ar15's 3) I'd vote for open , more original in appearance. god you got to love American ingenuity and stubbornness, when we want something we'll do want ever it takes. I'm in looking for three or more of these. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ATD 2 Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 (edited) Steel ak post I would like the closed, I tend to bump my stuff around occasionally and would like it to protect the post from bending. and I could probably speak for 3 of them too. at least 1 but maybe 3. and one other idea I just had, what about putting an accessory slot on the bottom of the sight? I don't like the idea of it on the break, sounds kinda dangerous but the sight is going to have the tab on the bottom so why not at least make it look like it serves an extra purpose. Edited September 25, 2004 by ATD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
screaming eagle 0 Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 What's the story on this one? Scroll down to bottom http://www.saiga-12.com/Parts.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cesiumsponge 0 Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Been wondering myself, the Saiga-12 shop is empty it seems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JesusCow 1 Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 there are some things here, dunno about their compatability http://riflestocks.com/ak.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acgeorge 0 Posted September 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 I like the idea of the accessory rail (1913 style) on the bottom. I'll play with that idea next week, and post a pic if it works. It won't be very long. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1st Ranger 0 Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 1. Steel or aluminum. Steel 2. Standard AK sight post or AR15 post. Standard AK for simplicity 3. Open ears as picture, or closed. Open If there is ever a version made with the rail on the botton, I would like to see one made without, as well. I really, really, really don't like the idea of mounting any accessories on the barrel, especially near the muzzle. It's just bad mojo and is asking for problems. I have always thought that the handguard on any rifle is the best and safest place to mount an accessory. Just my .02. I hope this deosn't lead to a thread hijack. If so, I appologize now. That design looks really nice. Tme botom could be trimmed up a bit, though. Also, since the barrel diameter on the S-12s are all the same, how about a version without the tab on the bottom. You could use two pins to hold it in place just like on any standard AK. The guide slots in the barrel would not be that hard to drill for the pins. Plus, this leave the bottom of the sight assy open for an evil bayonet lug . 1st Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fushigi Ojisan 0 Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 I personally would like to see a bayonet mount, and I think I found a way to do it easily. See my thread "Revisiting the Bayonet Mount" (yes, I'm a noob) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cesiumsponge 0 Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Are there any current bayonet lugs that mount up to rail systems? I recently ordered a clamp-on Shotforce flash hider for my Saiga and it comes with a machined rail on the bottom. I wouldn't want to have a flashlight or laser mounted right under the barrel but a bayonet would be acceptable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jerad 0 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Control3 3 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 AK Steel Closed Bayonet lug off bottom Flash hider out front Picatinney off the side It should also wash my dishes please. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 2) AK front post , also available in tritium cheaper than ar15's god you got to love American ingenuity and stubbornness, when we want something we'll do want ever it takes. do you have a link for tritium ak sights, por favor? amen, to yankee ingenuity!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Concept looks great! Do I assume correctly this would work with the existing pistol-type rear sights? If so, I'm in for one. Material: Steel or Alum, as long it's sufficiently strong. Sight Post: Could live with either, prefer AR-15. Hood Design: Open (for easy access to sight blade) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hk4me 0 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Sorry to hi-jack this thread but... I spoke w/ Max or Marc (owner of this website) a few days ago, and he said that they would have the extended front sight and muzzle brake available in about a month... Says cost for both parts will be around $80.00 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acgeorge 0 Posted September 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Well Thats great. I will still have my design quoted, just for kicks. Here is the latest version, thanks to Jerad. The idea to clamp on top was excellent. This allowed for the 1913 style rail on the bottom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acgeorge 0 Posted September 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Another view! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cesiumsponge 0 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Wow that's looking great! It'd be interesting to see how much they'll charge to get made compared to the possibility of purchasing the Russian version with the brake for $80. Some people might still want one or the other. I've already ordered a Shotforce flash hider for my Saiga 12 for $20 since I had given up hope on importing some parts...maybe I'll sell it to a friend or keep it if the addition of a front sight is less than $60 (so it'd be equivalent in price to the Russian jobber). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cscharlie 107 Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 (edited) I like the AK style tower, poss. with a bottom rail. Made out of forged steel if possible. Would be nice, to have as a second option, a flip-up front site to use with low mounted optics. Maybe simular to what an AR varmit rifle with bull barrel would use. Edited October 12, 2004 by cscharlie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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