getitat 609 Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki0629 55 Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 His son learned that behavior from somewhere. I've got boys and if they ever disrespected a living creature like that they'd be flogged to an inch of their lives. Unbelievable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 (edited) Edited January 4, 2008 by DaGroaner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki0629 55 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 I hear you Groaner but would you abuse your position to save his ass like that? And isn't that indicative of the father as well as the son? However I will say that you're right, he may not have picked it up from his dad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Hello, GunnyR and DaGroaner I'm not saying that the actions of Junior were necessarily "taught" by Pops, but from all appearances, they were not only condoned, but by using his influence to cover them up, were also tacitly "approved" by Pops. I don't think that is even half-decent parenting skills. I have to think that after 17 years he would have developed a bit more proficiency, not to mention some sort of a "moral code" to try to convey. BTW, just what does an "Eagle Scout" title mean, when you are "fired" from your job as a Scout counselor for dysfunctional behavior such as this, and then "go on to receive an Eagle Scout" title? Are they only concerned with "merit badges" and ingnore "de-merit badges"? I though that title was reserved for pretty exemplary young men. I agree that the choice would a no-brainer if it were the Huckster vs. the Dyke, but I think there are much better opponents for the Dem's than this POS. Respectfully posted, guido2 in Houston Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koliadko 207 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 I don't like Huckabee. I'm either going with Paul or Thompson. But the reason I don't like Huckabee has nothing to do with his son and I won't judge him on that. I have three sons and they are so, so different. The first two, my ex helped raise. They're gonna turn out OK. But the last one, my baby, was pretty much raised by only me. He has his moments but he's a really good kid. When I say jump, he says how high. I'm just saying that I think good seeds can raise bad apples. Not saying my older son's are bad apples. Just not as good as the younger one. Cause IIIII had a bigger say in how he was raised. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 I live in Arkansas, and all this is news to me........ and its not like I don't pay attention to the news and especially matters pertaining to animals............ I'd be interested where this info came from, Guido......., and how much credence can be attached to it. In Arkansas, under Huckabee, it became a criminal offense to even chain a dog in your yard. I think this alleged report is bullshit........ Accusations and innuendo in an election year???? Oh no !!! A fired director of the State Police crying sour grapes??? Surely not !!!! I have real problems with Huckabee in several areas..........taxes, and benefits for illegals........... BUT, HUCKABEE IS STRONG IN HIS POSITION ON OUR GUNS, AND OUR RIGHTS REGARDING OUR GUNS!!! Stronger in his stated position than any other candidate thats running............. For me, that's 'nuff said.................... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayanx 1 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 "falsely claiming that this modest proposal to upgrade the penalties for animal cruelty would have adversely impacted hunting, fishing, farming, and other Arkansas traditions." Okay, I'm no hunter- but I'm willing to bet there is no research showing a link between hunting and cruelty to animals unless you see legal hunting as cruel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 "falsely claiming that this modest proposal to upgrade the penalties for animal cruelty would have adversely impacted hunting, fishing, farming, and other Arkansas traditions." Okay, I'm no hunter- but I'm willing to bet there is no research showing a link between hunting and cruelty to animals unless you see legal hunting as cruel. Unfortunately when dealing with the animal rights crowd you'll find that many of them do think it is cruel. They don't give a fuck when thousands of deer are starving to death but hunting is bad to them no matter what. I won't vote for Huck in the primary and I'm not thrilled with his actions here but he's still better than any gun-grabbing socialist swine the Dems have running. You have to look at the big picture. That's all that I'm saying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki0629 55 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Newsweek article. http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mark56 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Nothing like dragging up some 10 year old shit to knock down someone that unexpectedly did well in Iowa. Not that I'm supporting Huckabee at this point but if he's the pro-gun candidate still standing on voting day he'll damn sure get my vote even if he cut the dogs throat. Life's full of hard choices, but giving a parent a pass for gaming the system to protect their offspring isn't that evil. Blood's thicker than water, sorry, fact of life. He just had more stroke than most of us when the shit hit the fan is his household. As for the animal rights groups............. aren't they wanting to ban fishing too? You know...... the ones that are saying they wish fish could scream so we'd all get it? Oh yeah, they're at the top of the list of influential people in my life.............. I think we've all got bigger issues. Let us never forget the words of the ACLU's founder, Roger Baldwin: I have continued directing the unpopular fight for the rights of agitation, as director of the American Civil Liberties Union.... I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is, of course, the goal. And co-founder Norman Thomas: "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Need to post those words everywhere!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pointer 21 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Im not for him or against him....But i cringed when i saw the photo op hunting trip he took the other week with all the photographers in tow.Brings back memory's of Kerry's exploitations Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 ..........difference is, Huck actually is a hunter. No pretending. Both he and his wife Janet hold CCW licenses, as well...so its not just hunting. Walks the walk as it applies to guns and gun rights. Other areas leave things to be desired, but I'll take the most important thing to me from him.......which are my guns. Not even a little bit like Kerry, man..................... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Hello, Mark56 I don't have an issue with most of what you are saying. I, too, believe there are "bigger issues". I believe our Constitutional Rights, including those afforded to us by the Second Ammendment, are sacred. I posted this article because at least to me, it was news; i.e. something I had not heard about the Huckster. It was an informational article/post. It was posted not only because it dealt with cruelty to dogs (an issue I, personally, feel pretty strongly about) but it also signaled a tendancy to utilize power and influence for personal gain, by shielding his son from what rightfully should have been some consequences, if the story is, indeed, accurate. At that point, it also becomes an issue of "electability". Doesn't matter a whole lot if you have a Pro-gun candidate nominated that has baggage preventing him from being a viable, electable individual. I think many people felt the issue with Michael Vick was pretty trivial in comparison to the behemoth that is the NFL, but Mr. Vick is likely fending off passes, not throwing them.... The story, and my post, were both posted prior to the "Hawkeye Cauci", so I think the notion that it was intended to "knock-down" a candidate that won the caucus is without merit. For me, it was an issue that illuminated a side of Mr. Huckabee that I did not know about. Obviously, even his own constituents were surprised that it does appear to be a factual account. As far as it being a "small issue" compared to the "big picture", no matter how you feel about wanton cruelty to dogs, or the apparent trivializing of his son's purported actions, I think it also becomes a character issue. That's how I view it, anyway. I also fail to see the link between this issue and "Animal Rights". I feel it is more an issue of simple moral values. If you don't share those views, I have no problem with that. Just ignore the post, if you're not interested in it's content. I somewhat resent the implied link to me and my post and the "Animal Rights" extremists, or gun control advocates. I don't believe this article, nor any of my statements, justified that response. I'm National Vice-President of German Wirehaired Pointer Rescue, Inc. a 501c.3 organization that takes in, rehab's, and re-homes some pretty serious hunting dogs. If you ask a Drahthaar or GWP owner they'll tell you that next to their favorite shotgun and/or rifle, their Drat/Wire is the most important hunting tool they own. The notion that compassion for these (or any) dogs is somehow paralleled with the abolition of hunting/fishing rights, or gun ownership, for that matter, is pretty ludicrous. Other than the above, I agree. In fact, I would have to edit my original post ("I'd never vote for") to include the disclaimer "unless he was the only candidate left standing against the Socialst Dyke or the Moslem". I would certainly choose him myself, although I'm getting pretty wary of these smooth-talking relatively unknown candidates from Arkansas..... Respectfully posted, guido2 in Houston mark56' date='Jan 4 2008, 06:08 PM Nothing like dragging up some 10 year old shit to knock down someone that unexpectedly did well in Iowa. Not that I'm supporting Huckabee at this point but if he's the pro-gun candidate still standing on voting day he'll damn sure get my vote even if he cut the dogs throat. Life's full of hard choices, but giving a parent a pass for gaming the system to protect their offspring isn't that evil. Blood's thicker than water, sorry, fact of life. He just had more stroke than most of us when the shit hit the fan is his household. As for the animal rights groups............. aren't they wanting to ban fishing too? You know...... the ones that are saying they wish fish could scream so we'd all get it? Oh yeah, they're at the top of the list of influential people in my life.............. I think we've all got bigger issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mark56 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 After reviewing the posts last night I realized you posted before the results were tallied but in your post you recognize he was surging in the polls. Ok, technically I was off by a few hours. I was just responding to your posted news alert about a "Scumbag" & "piece o' shit" you stated you never liked and now you know why you'll never vote for. OK, no predisposition here. Making insinuations about his "family history of animal cruelty" sounds to me like an ugly way of saying someones near adult aged kid was cruel to a dog. I'd sure bet he wasn't very proud of his kid. Was protecting his kid wrong? Sure it was, but parents do it all the time. Is it right? Usually not but sometimes it's a break that the kid will recognize. Time usually tells, would you like to speculate how many more dogs has the kid tortured in the last 10 years Guido? Should he get on national TV and give an explanation for a 10 year old incident? If I were his advisor I'd say hell no! How long can a story like this live? I wonder if any explanation would be sufficient to REALLY satisfy everybody.............. As for him courting the hunters votes, so what? At least he isn't posing for the camera trying to pump the forearm on a semi-auto shotgun. Kudos to you for saving dogs, personally I donate to a couple local groups that help children. I'm not the vice pres or anything, just a supporter. Having said all this, I'm still undecided, way too early in the game. Just responding to your post in a public forum. Don't feel obligated to respond if you don't share my views either........ but it's a public forum....... you can if you like. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koliadko 207 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Having said all this, I'm still undecided, way too early in the game. Just responding to your post in a public forum. Don't feel obligated to respond if you don't share my views either........ but it's a public forum....... you can if you like. I wouldn't say way too early. I'm a firm believer in the importance of voting in the primaries. If this guy is the one left standing, and we end up with Shrillery or Osama as pres, we only have ourselves to blame. Personally, I don't see this guy as electable. That's why he won't get my vote. Remember, we are voting for the lesser of two evils here and since the other side is always so much more evil i.e. Socialists and Communists, we have to win this one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Sir, you are blurring the lines between an article I posted from Newsweek magazine, and my quotes. I did say that I thought he was a POS, frankly, he would not be the first one that I voted for, if it comes to pass. I also said that I would not vote for him, I ammended that. If you are simply trolling for some gloves-off internet bitch-session, that's your problem. I posted an article that I thought was relevent. May not have been to you, I'm OK with that. Otherwisw, I don't believe you really have anything else valid to offer. For that matter, neither do I. Signing off, with all due respect, guido2 in Houston After reviewing the posts last night I realized you posted before the results were tallied but in your post you recognize he was surging in the polls. Ok, technically I was off by a few hours. I was just responding to your posted news alert about a "Scumbag" & "piece o' shit" you stated you never liked and now you know why you'll never vote for. OK, no predisposition here. Making insinuations about his "family history of animal cruelty" sounds to me like an ugly way of saying someones near adult aged kid was cruel to a dog. I'd sure bet he wasn't very proud of his kid. Was protecting his kid wrong? Sure it was, but parents do it all the time. Is it right? Usually not but sometimes it's a break that the kid will recognize. Time usually tells, would you like to speculate how many more dogs has the kid tortured in the last 10 years Guido? Should he get on national TV and give an explanation for a 10 year old incident? If I were his advisor I'd say hell no! How long can a story like this live? I wonder if any explanation would be sufficient to REALLY satisfy everybody.............. As for him courting the hunters votes, so what? At least he isn't posing for the camera trying to pump the forearm on a semi-auto shotgun. Kudos to you for saving dogs, personally I donate to a couple local groups that help children. I'm not the vice pres or anything, just a supporter. Having said all this, I'm still undecided, way too early in the game. Just responding to your post in a public forum. Don't feel obligated to respond if you don't share my views either........ but it's a public forum....... you can if you like. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Nicely said Guido! lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 As is the norm for me, I don't like any of the candidates on either side. Something I've come to taking for granted over the years. Every four years we have the "carrot on a stick" deal, about it being "our right" and "our duty" to participate in the electoral process........ We get to choose and to vote for one of two people who in normal circumstances we wouldn't cross the street to spit on............. Whoever it is that comes out of the primaries most favorable to gun rights will get my vote........and for me, there is really no other consideration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pointer 21 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 ..........difference is, Huck actually is a hunter. No pretending. Both he and his wife Janet hold CCW licenses, as well...so its not just hunting. Walks the walk as it applies to guns and gun rights. Other areas leave things to be desired, but I'll take the most important thing to me from him.......which are my guns. Not even a little bit like Kerry, man..................... I realy dont know his stand but i hope hes not just pro hunting "which is pretty much meaningless to me" but pro second amendment all the way.Most polititians think if they show that they hunt,there pro gun...I wanna see um out target shooting with a 17rd Glock and a AR/AK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) Huckabee on the Second Amendment. If you examine his FIRST bullet point you'll see that he cuts straight to the heart of the matter. http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Is...amp;Issue_id=18 I'm voting for Fred BTW. Edited January 5, 2008 by DaGroaner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) I went through my CCW classes with his wife, Janet, several years ago......This isn't just a photo-op hunting excursion for Huckabee. Huckabee is pro-2nd from the get-go. I've not shot with Huckabee himself, but I have shot with his wife........, and she's no slouch with her Glock !! Mike indicated he'd sign a Castle Doctrine bill in Arkansas, which occurred. He was instrumental in CCW "shall-issue" in Arkansas. He favored carry in Arkansas state parks, and got it passed. Pro-2nd, as well as a bonafide hunter. This is not for show.........he's in the right place regarding guns. BTW........Thanks for the informative post, Groaner !! I also can relate to Fred, but I don't think he'll be there in the end............. Edited January 5, 2008 by Jeaux E Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mark56 0 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Sir, you are blurring the lines between an article I posted from Newsweek magazine, and my quotes. I did say that I thought he was a POS, frankly, he would not be the first one that I voted for, if it comes to pass. I also said that I would not vote for him, I ammended that. If you are simply trolling for some gloves-off internet bitch-session, that's your problem. I posted an article that I thought was relevent. May not have been to you, I'm OK with that. Otherwisw, I don't believe you really have anything else valid to offer. For that matter, neither do I. Signing off, with all due respect, guido2 in Houston Guido, I do have a couple points to make. First off you're right, I was trolling the site, a gun site, not a political forum. Earlier in the day I'd emailed all my friends crowing about the strong numbers a pro-gun candidate had mustered in Iowa. Imagine my surprise to see a post like yours....... on a gun site....... that encouraged me to call the pro-gun guy that had just accomplished such an incredible showing in the polls, to commit political suicide with a national statement about something that happened 10 years ago, that can't possibly be spun into something palatable. The result of which would be for the pro-gun candidates with lesser support to go up against the 3 way powerhouse the Dems are currently fielding. Now, I'm not saying he's our guy or that he'll get the same numbers in a few days, and he probably won't........ but he might. Why should I jump on the bandwagon you're soliciting here to kick his campaign squarely in the nuts? As for me trolling for a "gloves-off internet bitch-session"........ wouldn't that more accurately apply to your initial post where you practically start out with: "I knew there was something I just didn't care for about this fellow....Now I know, HE'S A SCUMBAG! I feel the way a person approaches the welfare and safety of dependant animals in their care (not unlike children...) says a lot about their true character. What Mike Huckabee shows is that nothing matters except him. I suppose it's hard to not become self-centered when considering where your head is inserted, you're surrounded with yourself... Hate to dis' a Rebub, but personally, I'd never vote for this piece o' shit." Now where I grew up, face to face these words wouldn't be considered bitching....... and there wouldn't have been any weighed responses.... or gloves either. I think it's just a little unrealistic of you to start slinging serious mud like that and then try not getting splattered yourself while backing out on the high road. As one of my buddies emailed me today: "well huck was the first gov. in history to obtain a deadly weapons permit.. thats all i give a shit about .. they all suck" I don't know you, you might be a swell guy. Your initial post, on a gun forum, just rubbed me the wrong way. I'd have just clicked away anywhere else. 'Nuf said ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pointer 21 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Huckabee on the Second Amendment. If you examine his FIRST bullet point you'll see that he cuts straight to the heart of the matter. http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Is...amp;Issue_id=18 I'm voting for Fred BTW. Wow,i just read it,he defenitly seems on our side by that page. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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