Polymerhead 0 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I was really happy when I found the TAPCO black fixed stock for my Saiga conversion. It was the right color, right shape and cheap. The metal buttplate is utilitarian, true to the design of the AK. So, I was working on transitions to the shoulder (slinging it up) to go to the pistol after watching Suarez' DVD and the sling popped loose. I barely held onto the sling so I didn't ditch the AK, but I was like "WTF"? Turns out the D-ring attachment on the TAPCO sling isn't a solid welded ring. It's just a piece of wire bent into shape to fit under the bracket that screws into the gun. The weight of the AK had stretched that ring and it popped out of place. For a company that's trying to improve its reputation as a cheapo line of crap (think ProMag), this is not the way to go. I compared the part to the bracket on my SAR-3's stock, and the SAR has a much thicker, WELDED ring for attachment. It's not going anywhere. It annoys me that TAPCO obviously didn't test their stock design on an actual AK in any sort of training scenario, because they would have seen this flaw immediately. Everything else on the stock seems so well done, good fit and finish, basically indestructible, except for an obvious, fatal flaw. Anyway, FYI if you're thinking of this stock for a conversion. I guess I'll be making a call to K-Var for one of their fixed stocks. Anyone else had this issue??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackjack_21 0 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I just checked the sling swivel on my K-Var buttstock, and it's a solid ring. I ordered mine from Dinzag, since K-Var's website says they're always sold out of the US-made Nato-length black stock. I got my stuff from Dinzag in less than a week, which was a pleasant surprise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Polymerhead 0 Posted August 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I just checked the sling swivel on my K-Var buttstock, and it's a solid ring. I ordered mine from Dinzag, since K-Var's website says they're always sold out of the US-made Nato-length black stock. I got my stuff from Dinzag in less than a week, which was a pleasant surprise. Thanks man - I like Dinzag, I bought my bullet guide from him. Might have to make an order today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taurussvt 0 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 The K-var stocks are much better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Polymerhead 0 Posted August 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 The K-var stocks are much better. Are you referring to the bracket specifically, or are there other benefits to the Kvar stock over TAPCO? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taurussvt 0 Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 (edited) The Tapco stocks all seem fine when you get them. It's not until you hold a K-var stock in one and and a Tapco one in the other that you realize how shitty the Tapco ones are. They literally feel like they're meant for air soft when compared to the K-var ones. The ones from K-var have the loop welded in the back, they're much heavier, the finish is better, and they have the correct butt plate with the trap door for the cleaning kit like it's supposed to have. You should read this. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...pco++k-var+nato Edited August 18, 2008 by taurussvt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfixr 76 Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 The KVar very likely is a better unit, I haven't looked at one, but I haven't had any problem with the Tapco unit on my S12. I didn't use the sling mount, though, I made a side mount that I attached up front by the receiver. Also, I replaced the buttplate with a hard rubber pad, since the smooth metal plate slid around a lot during rapid fire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally 2 Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I have the kvar nato length stock its better than the tapco but the but pad if you can call it one sucks,its more like a meat tenderizer,and its $45-50 for a few more bucks you can get an ace folder just something to think about Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Polymerhead 0 Posted August 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I have the kvar nato length stock its better than the tapco but the but pad if you can call it one sucks,its more like a meat tenderizer,and its $45-50 for a few more bucks you can get an ace folder just something to think about Yup, I've thought about dropping the big $$ to get the flush-folding setup with tang removal. I'll have to do some thinking. I like the idea of a DIY sling mount near the receiver. I could make it super-sturdy and I like that sling position. I'm Warsaw length all the way though. I shoot square to the target. I run my AR on the shortest stock position and have a youth stock on my shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
d0lphin2 0 Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Just but my tapco stock that is for sale. It is hot. It also comes with a sling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Polymerhead 0 Posted August 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Just but my tapco stock that is for sale. It is hot. It also comes with a sling. Huzawhaa? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfixr 76 Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Yup, I've thought about dropping the big $$ to get the flush-folding setup with tang removal. I'll have to do some thinking. I like the idea of a DIY sling mount near the receiver. I could make it super-sturdy and I like that sling position. I'm Warsaw length all the way though. I shoot square to the target. I run my AR on the shortest stock position and have a youth stock on my shotgun. I like that sling position also, and have a mount in that position on my AR and FAL as well. I also run my short, about halfway in, and have a short, entry-length stock on my FAL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muttman2 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 have you all looked at http://akpartskits.com/cart/index.php?main...;products_id=33 I got one, for the price I did not expect that mutch but it was better than I thought and it is cheeper than tapco or kvar. no predrilled holes witch is a + for me. muttman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrace_mountain 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 K-VAR for the win Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WardenWolf 6 Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Tapco makes paintball products as well, and they're considered junk even for paintball. That should give you an idea about how bad they are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tja0531 0 Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 I Have a tapco unmod stock on my saiga .I am very aware of the viability of shoulder and quality feel of a rifle.As an active duty devil dog My tapco stock is solid and dependable as the same in the M-4.I guess if you go by looks instead of functionality of a wepon platform your opinions may vary. My stock is solid and has withstood bad treatment from my off time plinking.I have the t-6 collapse and have really been surprised by its durability........Unless you are going to invade the ukraine or something one should know th weekest part of the wepon is the shooter...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tja0531 0 Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 btw the spelling is a result of a naggin wife!!!!!distraction Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muttman2 0 Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 btw the spelling is a result of a naggin wife!!!!!distraction now I have a name for this problem I have. ha ha. muttman2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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