adavid02 0 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Someone in California wants my s12. Can I sell it to them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SJgunguy 5 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) Someone in California wants my s12. Can I sell it to them? Yes you can. The mag has to require the use of a tool to be removed. There are several types of mag lock devices and they're all around 30$ Now I don't expect you (seller) to configure for Cali compliance. There is a few go betweens who will configure the shotgun correctlly. Freekshow Manufacturing does neuter jobs. The S12 is unique, any standard AK just remove the pistol grip and it's G.T.G. But detachable mag fed semi auto shotguns are a no no, unless the gas system has been disabled or the mag has a locking device. Edited November 2, 2008 by SJgunguy24 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Someone in California wants my s12. Can I sell it to them? Yes you can. The mag has to require the use of a tool to be removed. There are several types of mag lock devices and they're all around 30$ Now I don't expect you (seller) to configure for Cali compliance. There is a few go betweens who will configure the shotgun correctlly. Freekshow Manufacturing does neuter jobs. The S12 is unique, any standard AK just remove the pistol grip and it's G.T.G. But detachable mag fed semi auto shotguns are a no no, unless the gas system has been disabled or the mag has a locking device. Does it matter if it has a pistol grip or folding stock? We don't know how his Saiga is configured, you might want to elaborate adavid02. I assume it's stock, but you know what they say about assuming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GPalmer 1 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) Someone in California wants my s12. Can I sell it to them? Yes you can. The mag has to require the use of a tool to be removed. There are several types of mag lock devices and they're all around 30$ Now I don't expect you (seller) to configure for Cali compliance. There is a few go betweens who will configure the shotgun correctlly. Freekshow Manufacturing does neuter jobs. The S12 is unique, any standard AK just remove the pistol grip and it's G.T.G. But detachable mag fed semi auto shotguns are a no no, unless the gas system has been disabled or the mag has a locking device. Does it matter if it has a pistol grip or folding stock? We don't know how his Saiga is configured, you might want to elaborate adavid02. I assume it's stock, but you know what they say about assuming. Nope, detachable mag fed shotguns are evil in the state of California... Even the stock imported configuration is evil. Edited November 2, 2008 by Glocker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psssniper 0 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 fixed mags of ten rounds or less negate the "evil", so just get a maglock and your good to go. Tell the buyer to send you a maglock and charge him to put it on and away you go!! Go to calguns.net and do a search for "ak maglocks" there is the JJPerl the raddlock and one other which I cant remember the name of. My Saiga12 is on the way from a dealer in colorado, who has no problem sending it in to calif and my FFL in california has no problem receiving it. We have made major gains in calif against the screwed up laws. Keep up to date on calgun if your interested Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hallboss 1 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 fixed mags of ten rounds or less negate the "evil", so just get a maglock and your good to go. Tell the buyer to send you a maglock and charge him to put it on and away you go!! Go to calguns.net and do a search for "ak maglocks" there is the JJPerl the raddlock and one other which I cant remember the name of. My Saiga12 is on the way from a dealer in colorado, who has no problem sending it in to calif and my FFL in california has no problem receiving it. We have made major gains in calif against the screwed up laws. Keep up to date on calgun if your interested I have done hundreds of hours of research on this, spoke with DOJ and I am a retired LE in CA. Referring to PC 12276 a semi auto shotgun CANNOT have both a collapsable stock and a pistol grip. Subsection "C" also reads, "Any semi auto shotgun with a 'detachable' magazine" is an assault weapon. The only way a semi auto shot gun can make it into CA is without a pistol grip and collapsable stock (together) or a detachable mag. If it is equipped with a "bullet block" then it is legal. Because the mag is no longer detachable, it is now removable with the use of a tool. Besides, with all that is happening and how hard Saiga's are to get (at least in CA) why in the world do you want to sell it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wakko 10 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 How do you load it if you can't detach it? Do you have to field strip it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GPalmer 1 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) How do you load it if you can't detach it? Do you have to field strip it? If I remember correctly, it releases when you push a bullet or similar implement into a hole which releases the magazine. The bullet is a tool and the fact that the mag requires a tool to remove makes it legal. Edited November 2, 2008 by Glocker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 As long as the S12 has a maglock installed AND it does not have a folding/collapable stock, it is perfectly legal to sell to a CA resident. If the buyer needs the maglock installed for him, you can ship it to Henderson Defense and they can make it CA compliant prior to it entering CA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hallboss 1 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 How do you load it if you can't detach it? Do you have to field strip it? If I remember correctly, it releases when you push a bullet or similar implement into a hole which releases the magazine. The bullet is a tool and the fact that the mag requires a tool to remove makes it legal. That's true, as long as the mag cannot be released by the "push of a button," with your finger. You have to use a tool to remove it, like a bullet through a hole. BUT WHEN I SPOKE TO DOJ, THEY SAID THIS WAS A LOOPHOLE THEY DID NOT EXPECT AND ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ATTEMPTING A RE-WRITE ON THE CODE. They actually meant the code to be interpreted like a fixed mag SKS, to where you actually had to disassemble the gun to remove the mag. Stupid f-in California. As long as the S12 has a maglock installed AND it does not have a folding/collapable stock, it is perfectly legal to sell to a CA resident. If the buyer needs the maglock installed for him, you can ship it to Henderson Defense and they can make it CA compliant prior to it entering CA. True, but the code actually reads "both" a pistol grip and collapsable stock, not one or the other. The second section reads no detachable mags no matter what configuration it is in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gozuki 3 Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Contact Pete Hope at Shadow river Productions, he can convert, add his own maglock, refinish or whatever for you... http://www.evil-black-rifles.com/home.aspx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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